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re: Naples, FL media is reporting democrats used altered election forms after deadline passed
Posted on 11/15/18 at 2:39 pm to TimeOutdoors
Posted on 11/15/18 at 2:39 pm to TimeOutdoors
quote:
I am really curious to know what you do consider voter fraud.
Someone actively attempting to vote in an election in which they are barred from doing so, including attempting to do so multiple times or under a false name.
Which, of course, almost never happens in the US.
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Posted on 11/15/18 at 2:49 pm to BamaAtl
Posted on 11/15/18 at 3:10 pm to TBoy
quote:
unless a judge, interpreting Florida and constitutional law,
Posted on 11/15/18 at 3:27 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Florida's mail-in voting law is illogical.
You have to request the ballot by 6 days before the election and the mail-in ballot must be received by the regular time the polls close at 7:00 p.m.
The voter must sign the envelope that the ballot is mailed in. If a voter does not sign the envelope or if the signature does not match the signature on file (although the signature on file could be years old and the person is writing on the OUTSIDE of an envelope) the ballot can be rejected.
The law says that the county supervisor of elections must "immediately notify" the voter that the voter's ballot has been rejected and the voter can cure the ballot by submitting a “Vote-by-Mail Ballot Cure” Affidavit. The cure affidavit must be received by the county supervisor of elections by 5:00 the day before the election.
I can't find if the method of immediately notifying the voter the ballot has been rejected and if the giving of that notification must be recorded if the fact that the notification was given is ever challenged.
You can vote in person if you ordered a mail-in ballot if you bring the mail-in ballot to the polls.
BUT
What if you didn't get notification your ballot was rejected?
OR
What if you got the notification after election day?
This is a screwed up system on many levels.
No wonder they have so many problems.
You have to request the ballot by 6 days before the election and the mail-in ballot must be received by the regular time the polls close at 7:00 p.m.
The voter must sign the envelope that the ballot is mailed in. If a voter does not sign the envelope or if the signature does not match the signature on file (although the signature on file could be years old and the person is writing on the OUTSIDE of an envelope) the ballot can be rejected.
The law says that the county supervisor of elections must "immediately notify" the voter that the voter's ballot has been rejected and the voter can cure the ballot by submitting a “Vote-by-Mail Ballot Cure” Affidavit. The cure affidavit must be received by the county supervisor of elections by 5:00 the day before the election.
I can't find if the method of immediately notifying the voter the ballot has been rejected and if the giving of that notification must be recorded if the fact that the notification was given is ever challenged.
You can vote in person if you ordered a mail-in ballot if you bring the mail-in ballot to the polls.
BUT
What if you didn't get notification your ballot was rejected?
OR
What if you got the notification after election day?
This is a screwed up system on many levels.
No wonder they have so many problems.
Posted on 11/15/18 at 3:29 pm to texridder
quote:
This is a screwed up system on many levels.
No wonder they have so many problems.
Agreed. It's in dire need of fixing.
Posted on 11/15/18 at 3:31 pm to texridder
The system described sets up a mechanism to arbitrarily throw out ballots, or to allow ballots to be thrown out because of who they voted for. Sounds like the court was correct in allowing time to correct.
Posted on 11/15/18 at 3:40 pm to ChineseBandit58
quote:
unless a judge, interpreting Florida and constitutional law,
A judge ruled in 2016 that the Florida law that treated mail-in envelopes that were not signed more favorably that mismatching signature ballots was unconstitutional and ordered them to allow mismatched signature voters to cure their ballots.
Posted on 11/15/18 at 3:42 pm to TBoy
quote:
tate permits voters to cure their ballots up until 5 p.m. on the day before the election
Posted on 11/15/18 at 3:46 pm to TBoy
quote:
to allow ballots to be thrown out because of who they voted for.
Uh... the signatures are on the OUTSIDE of the envelope.
Posted on 11/15/18 at 3:49 pm to TBoy
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The system described sets up a mechanism to arbitrarily throw out ballots, or to allow ballots to be thrown out because of who they voted for. Sounds like the court was correct in allowing time to correct.
I assume that when the decision on mismatched signatures is made there are reps from both parties there, but who knows.
The new system for sure makes it more complicated to get you mail-in vote in on time. Its all jammed up at the end. Like maybe they don't like mail-in voters???
And the envelope signature match thing is stupid. I don't care if every state uses it or not.
Posted on 11/15/18 at 3:52 pm to texridder
quote:
unconstitutional
This is why no one respects the judiciary.
Everything I don't like is unconstitutional!
Posted on 11/15/18 at 3:53 pm to texridder
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And the envelope signature match thing is stupid.
Nah... they need some mechanism to make sure the mail in voter is really to voter, do they not?
Posted on 11/15/18 at 3:59 pm to SSpaniel
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Nah... they need some mechanism to make sure the mail in voter is really to voter, do they not?
For sure they do. And I don't know the answer, but having them sign an envelope and match it to an (old??) signature on file is asking for trouble.
Posted on 11/15/18 at 4:02 pm to Turbeauxdog
quote:Haha. That may change.
This is why no one respects the judiciary.
Everything I don't like is unconstitutional!
Posted on 11/15/18 at 4:05 pm to texridder
quote:
The new system for sure makes it more complicated to get you mail-in vote in on time. Its all jammed up at the end. Like maybe they don't like mail-in voters???
I saw that they have to request the mail in ballot by 6 days before the election, but when is the earliest it can be requested? Seems like if you cared enough about your vote counting you would request the ballot at the earliest possible time just in case some problems came up
Posted on 11/15/18 at 4:14 pm to bamafan1001
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Give Atl a break...shes very stupid
If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tuff.
Posted on 11/15/18 at 6:08 pm to Geaux-2-L-O-Miss
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Ok, I will agree with that. The big question is why is the FDC involved in this and not the SOS? Does the SOS bring in the FDC and FRC to review all ballots? Just seems a bit fishy and very underhanded.
By law, the SOE in each county is supposed to immediately notify voters whose ballots were rejected because of signature. Why wouldn't the FDC be interested in seeing that rejected Dem voters got notice?
Posted on 11/15/18 at 6:12 pm to MrLarson
quote:They are not handling ballots. They are mailing ballot-cure affidavits to voters whose ballots were rejected.
Neither party should be allowed to be involved and handling ballots.
Posted on 11/15/18 at 6:14 pm to SSpaniel
quote:What happens if there is evidence discovered that a county SOE didn't mail out voter ballot rejection notices that are required by law?
And it shouldn't happen.
Posted on 11/15/18 at 6:18 pm to texridder
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are required by law?
That's cute.
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