re: My 16 year old daughter has covid.

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Re: CV19 mortality rate for a healthy 45 yo, again, curiously nobody has bothered to determine this scientifically and reported on it, but my sense is it’s substantially less than your guess.

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It honestly should be pretty easy to back in to using the CDC numbers.

But, the CDC does give us overall death rate numbers and, given that we know that the huge majority of deaths are to a population sub-group that is dwarfed by the age 40ish subgroup..............and given that even the overall death rate is pretty low, we can easily deduce that the death rate for a health 40 year old is so low, that no rational 40 year old would even blink at it.

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Sure, I'm not saying it's no big deal to die if you're old. But, we do have to be reasonable about it!

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I don't disagree, but there are far too many people who have retreated to their corners and dug themselves in.

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There's nothing compelling in the total numbers of the virus that should cause a typical person to change their behavior. The numbers simply aren't that bad. See my prior post.

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Right, but you're still stuck on individualism. I don't think the numbers are as bad as some of my liberal colleagues would suggest, but they aren't insignificant. Certainly not so insignificant that we should all go about like it's 2019.

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I would care if there was really a reason to.

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You don't have a personal reason to care. That's the difference.

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I submit that the ENTIRE fear revolving around the virus is based on ignorance.

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I'll agree that SOME of the fear is ignorance. No one is immune to it.

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The virus is extremely targeted. We should have addressed that reality and literally changed NOTHING else about how we live.

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We did. Even that was meant with unnecessary resistance. At some point, society lost its politeness.

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I’m not trying to make a point. I read some of this thread and others, and you come across as someone that is informed in a way most are not. I was genuinely curious about your answers to those questions, but apparently you’ve got nothing but being against mandates.

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You're right. There's been a lot of hostility here, and I lumped you in with that. My mistake, and I apologize.

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Re: CV19 mortality rate for a healthy 45 yo, again, curiously nobody has bothered to determine this scientifically and reported on it, but my sense is it’s substantially less than your guess.

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It may be. Let's assume that it's 0.01%. Fair enough? What then?

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I don't think the numbers are as bad as some of my liberal colleagues would suggest, but they aren't insignificant. Certainly not so insignificant that we should all go about like it's 2019.

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Actually, they really are.

For the bulk of the population, there is literally nothing in the numbers that should have caused any real changes. Just some targeted protection of the most at risk groups along with most at risk individuals with other existing conditions. Everything else was dumb on steroids. The equivalent of knocking down your house because you saw a roach in the kitchen.

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You don't have a personal reason to care. That's the difference.

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Like most people, I have parents(most people LOL). They're old. That doesn't change the reality for 95% of the population. Ya know what's funny? We train wrecked the economy and destroyed thousands of lives...........but, STILL did some stupid assed shite in terms of protecting the only real group that needed protecting.

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We did. Even that was meant with unnecessary resistance. At some point, society lost its politeness.

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Define "unnecessary?

I submit that if a virus just like this shows up when I'm 80 years old and you tell me that you plan to BAN me from being able to visit with my grandchildren or great grandchildren..............for a damned year or more..........I my well get my last strength up to shoot you.

That's just a completely irrational approach to life! None of us is getting out of here alive and, at that age, there's an awfully high probability that the ONLY think you'll accomplish by me not visiting with my progeny is me dying alone.

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I wouldn't bet my life on the veracity of those numbers.

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I find that for me, the most effective form or argument is the "assume the other guy's facts are all true" approach.

Because even if TRUE, none of the facts used to support the nonsense of the past year actually are worthy of supporting the nonsense of the past year

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The CDC, the FDA, the CEO's of every vaccine company, and the heads of states of almost every country cherry-picked that very same data, then immediately called for boosters. And yet you call the posters on here ignorant, for pointing that out.

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This is called whataboutism. The actions of those organizations don't absolve anyone here of their ignorance.

The CDC and FDA publish the data they use to draw their conclusions. It's readily available. That's where we hold discussions, not in CNN and FNC headlines.

The posters here demonstrated that they'll latch onto data which support their assertions, but duck out on the data that contradict them.

That's been demonstrated.

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And yet you are about to gleefully line up to take that booster that resulted from the cherry-picked data section.

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I haven't even mentioned boosters.

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Or does your ignorant arse really believe that they would be demanding booster shots if they agreed with you, that the vaccine was still anywhere near 80% effective?

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I mean, you can read the "favorable" study that was referenced previously.

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Actually, they really are.

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They really aren't. If you want to discuss the actual data, let's do it.

I'm not really interested in rhetoric.

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Like most people, I have parents(most people LOL). They're old. That doesn't change the reality for 95% of the population. Ya know what's funny? We train wrecked the economy and destroyed thousands of lives...........but, STILL did some stupid assed shite in terms of protecting the only real group that needed protecting.

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Ok. The problem here is that you're conflating an overall political strategy with effective treatment.

I don't agree with the way a lot of things were handled. That doesn't preclude me from implementing effective treatment strategies.

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Define "unnecessary?

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Impoliteness for the sake of impoliteness. There was an attitude from people that they weren't going to do anything, for no reason other than "you can't tell me what to do."

Of course, CNN calling people murderers for having family gatherings didn't help, but the answer to stupidity is not more stupidity.

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It's actually gonna be a LOT smaller than that. I mean..........a LOT!!!!

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Christ, man.

Pick whatever number you want and get to the point.

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They really aren't. If you want to discuss the actual data, let's do it.

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I have been. And, I've also ONLY referenced CDC data. So, no "alternative" sourcing for you to not like.

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Impoliteness for the sake of impoliteness. There was an attitude from people that they weren't going to do anything, for no reason other than "you can't tell me what to do."

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That's actually a very good reason to not do anything when there's no compelling reason to do something.

I mean. I'm sorry. If you see some of what you think are over reactions, fine. But, just remember. NONE OF THEM STARTED it.

None of them said, "hey, because I'm such an awesome person, I'm going to destroy your businesses, destroy key life plans you had for you and yours, frick up your children's schooling.............etc etc etc".

People tend to get kinda dickish when you do that irrationally and it absolutely IS irrational and unsupportable by any facts whatsoever.