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re: My 16 year old daughter has covid.

Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:00 pm to
Posted by Blue_Rocky
Member since Aug 2021
193 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:00 pm to
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You've attempted it. Then you proceed to eliminate a significant portion of society in your data. That's why your point won't be taken seriously.

LOL What are you even talking about?

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I have no desire to watch you fumble through another explanation of the data, but if you really want to, go for it.

Says the guy who hasn't provided ANY of his own takes on the data as he understands it. Not once.

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Wait. What? They have numbers of new cases and hospitalizations spelled out plainly in their data.

Um. My response was to you saying death isn't the only outcome. "Outcome" implies permanent which means hospitalization would NOT be included in such a discussion.

Nice try though. If I get sick, go to the doctor and end up fine on the other end, that's just an inconvenience and frankly, I'm not going to expect you to go out of business to prevent me from experiencing it.
Posted by Blue_Rocky
Member since Aug 2021
193 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:02 pm to
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My science is raw data.

Which you have yet to reference a single time in this thread coupled with your intepretation of what said data means.

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The data don't care about your views or your competing ideas.

This isn't even responsive
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:03 pm to
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You can't run a society like that.


I'll say it for the millionth time: The Biden Administration, the Media, the CDC, the WHO, Faucci, the Pharmaceutical Companies and almost EVERYONE INVOLVED in pushing the Vaccine have acted like James Bond villains intent on world domination.

Don't blame dumb ole' hicks who, while they might not understand all the $cience, DO have enough real-world experience to know when someone is pizzing down our legs and telling us it's raining.
Posted by BillWilliamson
Pensacola, Fl.
Member since Nov 2020
86 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:05 pm to
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I’m not convinced this wouldn’t have resulted in the least number of true CV-related deaths. Outside of isolating those genuinely at risk and treating illnesses, if we had done nothing more - would our outcome(s) not have been substantially better than what we’ve experienced? The CV19 shitshow may be just the latest example of the gov’t-sponsored cure being worse than the disease.


I also wish this was the case and we were only witnessing a huge case of not being able to get out of our own way but the way these vaccines and mutated strains are playing out I'm afraid there is a more sinister scheme in place. If next year is worse than 2021 I will have no doubt.
Posted by JayWhite
Member since Nov 2020
1008 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:05 pm to
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LOL What are you even talking about?


I mean, should I repeat it? What's confusing to you?

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Says the guy who hasn't provided ANY of his own takes on the data as he understands it. Not once.


That simply isn't true.

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Um. My response was to you saying death isn't the only outcome. "Outcome" implies permanent which means hospitalization would NOT be included in such a discussion.


Outcome doesn't imply anything. Outcome is a consequence. You know, like hospitalization.

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Nice try though. If I get sick, go to the doctor and end up fine on the other end, that's just an inconvenience and frankly, I'm not going to expect you to go out of business to prevent me from experiencing it.


You do you. You still haven't made this about anything but a ill-informed personal decision.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:06 pm to
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My science is raw data.


Whom are you depending on for this raw data?

Gleaning it yourself from the Hospitals, care-providers, etc?

Standing over the shoulders of the $cientists engaged in the studies?

No, your raw data is dependent on the integrity of the people providing it to you.

Only an idiot still believes in the integrity of those in charge of the data.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:07 pm to
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The data don't care about your views or your competing ideas.
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The data is dependent upon the integrity of those providing it.
Posted by JayWhite
Member since Nov 2020
1008 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:07 pm to
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Which you have yet to reference a single time in this thread coupled with your intepretation of what said data means.



Again, not true.

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This isn't even responsive


Sure it is, which is rather funny.

Here we are in a thread where several of you have made attempts to point to data you don't understand.

Not once have any of you come out and admitted to the basic premise of the discussion in the first place. You should probably avoid using Ivermectin as a substitute for prescribed treatment.
This post was edited on 8/30/21 at 12:08 pm
Posted by JayWhite
Member since Nov 2020
1008 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:10 pm to
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Whom are you depending on for this raw data?


Like anyone with legitimate curiosity and ability, it's an aggregate of all available data.

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Gleaning it yourself from the Hospitals, care-providers, etc?


Sometimes, yes.

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Standing over the shoulders of the $cientists engaged in the studies?



Lol.

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No, your raw data is dependent on the integrity of the people providing it to you.

Only an idiot still believes in the integrity of those in charge of the data.


You're right. The intelligent among us ignore the data and trust in their gut feelings.
Posted by Blue_Rocky
Member since Aug 2021
193 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:12 pm to
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That simply isn't true.

It simply IS true.

Heck, the closest you came to bringing up specific data was a friggin hypothetical.

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I mean, should I repeat it? What's confusing to you?

"Eliminated" a huge chunk of the population was nonsense. Speaking in terms of the REALITY that this isn't something that affects the entire population in any meaningful way isn't "eliminating" anything.
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You do you. You still haven't made this about anything but a ill-informed personal decision.

LOL. There's nothing "ill informed" about a word I've said in this thread. But yes. It IS a PERSONAL decision no matter how much that pisses you off.
Posted by Blue_Rocky
Member since Aug 2021
193 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:14 pm to
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Here we are in a thread where several of you have made attempts to point to data you don't understand.



Oh pahleez. You have made literally zero attempt to cite that misunderstanding.............so, I'm all ears. Go for it.

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Not once have any of you come out and admitted to the basic premise of the discussion in the first place. You should probably avoid using Ivermectin as a substitute for prescribed treatment.

I tend to avoid prescribing my own medical care period. If my doctor needs help with financial data or stats, I'll have him call me. I call him for medical treatment.
Posted by Blue_Rocky
Member since Aug 2021
193 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:16 pm to
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Again, not true.

Then you should have zero trouble linking an example from this thread showing it to not be true. I'll wait.

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Here we are in a thread where several of you have made attempts to point to data you don't understand.

I can't speak to what anyone else has done. I understand the data just fine.

Posted by JayWhite
Member since Nov 2020
1008 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:16 pm to
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Heck, the closest you came to bringing up specific data was a friggin hypothetical.




I linked directly to the FDA, the CDC, and the exact study someone try to cherry-pick earlier.

I mean...

Do you have specific questions about specific data, or you just want to me to give you a comprehensive rundown of everything that's available?

I can probably make that happen if you call my office and speak with billing.

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"Eliminated" a huge chunk of the population was nonsense. Speaking in terms of the REALITY that this isn't something that affects the entire population in any meaningful way isn't "eliminating" anything.


It isn't because that's exactly what you did. Now you're trying to explain why you did it.

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LOL. There's nothing "ill informed" about a word I've said in this thread. But yes. It IS a PERSONAL decision no matter how much that pisses you off.



Correct, it's a personal decision. I've said that many times, including before you showed up.

That doesn't change a thing about my point, even if you incorrectly try to frame it as something I disagree with.

You started off with promise, but your intellectual dishonesty got the better of you and your true intent here showed through.
Posted by JayWhite
Member since Nov 2020
1008 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:17 pm to
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Oh pahleez. You have made literally zero attempt to cite that misunderstanding.............so, I'm all ears. Go for it.


I have.

Christ, I even linked the study that was intentionally omitted.

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I tend to avoid prescribing my own medical care period. If my doctor needs help with financial data or stats, I'll have him call me. I call him for medical treatment.


That's good. Then you probably won't be eating horse paste tonight. I'll call that a positive.
Posted by JayWhite
Member since Nov 2020
1008 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:19 pm to
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Then you should have zero trouble linking an example from this thread showing it to not be true. I'll wait.



When all else fails, scream for links.

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I can't speak to what anyone else has done. I understand the data just fine.


Then maybe you just aren't very good at communicating that. I don't know. All I can go off is what I've seen in the thread.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:25 pm to
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That's good. Then you probably won't be eating horse paste tonight. I'll call that a positive.


You are very un-Scientific for someone who claims $cience for a religion.

Progress is sometimes made by doing some very unorthodox things.

It's called "looking outside the box".

It is necessary when people repeat manipulated, censored data as Gospel.

It is not an opinion that the people responsible for "the data" are lying, manipulating data and censoring some very brilliant people with opposing, alternative theories, it is a FACT.

Those pushing THEIR facts as Gospel are reliant upon Jihadists like you to do the dirty work of trying to shame those who are legitimately trying to make sense out of the non-sense, quasi-religious BULLZHIT being offered up by $cientists on the payroll of Govt and Big Pharma....

Keep up the good work, 72 Vaxinated Virgins should be coming any day now.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:26 pm to
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When all else fails, scream for links.


Um, real Scientists must always cite sources and produce replicable results.
Posted by BillWilliamson
Pensacola, Fl.
Member since Nov 2020
86 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:31 pm to
I talked to the dr this morning and she said they would be selling them again starting tomorrow at 2pm. They are $50 each and can sell 5 packs per person.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:58 pm to
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They are $50 each and can sell 5 packs per person


Did you report the Dr. to the örtliche Behörden?
Posted by JayWhite
Member since Nov 2020
1008 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:00 pm to
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Um, real Scientists must always cite sources and produce replicable results.


Links to a thread on Tiger Droppings are now "sources" and "results."

Because that's what he asked for, if you missed it.

It's pretty simple. I've been discussing things based on a consensus of the data. That was "disputed" with assertions using extremely isolated data. Now, somehow it's on me to teach you all how to understand data, science, medicine, and apparently life in general.

No, I don't think so. If you expect a comprehensive analysis of the data, you should be able to produce the same to support your initial assertion. I'll wait, and I'm open to anyone who wants to attempt it.
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