re: Micheal Savage going off on trump for raising his taxes in California

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And you don't need to use government to take money out of my pocket so you can have more in yours.

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But you are perfectly happy if the government takes money out of someone else's pocket to finance your 900K house? That is basically what you are advocating for...

Well considering I’m only three years removed from college (In which I started late) I would say I’m on a good path towards economic independence.

Btw, I am not taking your money. The government is giving me more of MY money back.

Surely you understand the sources of where federal tax revenue comes from.

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No one likes their tax bill going up so, I wouldn't like it.

What I wouldn't do is use it's effect upon me to then say the whole thing was Marxism. But, I didn't grow up thinking that the only good shite in he world was shite that worked for me.

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It actually is Marxism. Why? Because Republicans can't surpass the $1.5 trillion debt limit. That means that in order to pass the tax cuts they want, they have to take money out of my pocket. That's no different, in effect, than someone robbing me on the street.

If Republicans took the more difficult route, one that requires a handful of Democrats to approve, but wouldn't have the arbitrary $1.5 trillion debt limit, they could give a tax cut to literally everyone. There absolutely are vulnerable Democrats who could be convinced to vote for such a tax bill. But Republicans are lazy. It's easier to just raise my taxes to "pay for" other peoples' cuts than it is to bother getting a handful of Democrats on board.

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Your state tax burden shouldn't impact your federal tax burden. If you want big government, put your money where your mouth is and cough up the tax dollars to support it.

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What makes you think that I want a big government? That I disagree with you on something? Do you believe that you want "small government" and everyone who disagrees with you wants "big government"?

Here's something for you to chew on. I don't want Social Security and Medicare reformed. I want them completely eliminated. I want my money back. If you disagree, then you are on the side of "big government", buddy.

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But they aren’t redistributing anything to me. They are literally giving me more of MY money back...

I don’t collect EITC nor have kids. You aren’t doing me any favors whatsoever.

In fact, You have gained more from the system than I have. Which is eye opening, considering the difference in AGI.

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They are only able to do that because they're taking more from me. First they had to take from me, then they were able to give to you.

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They are only able to do that because they're taking more from me. First they had to take from me, then they were able to give to you.

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You have dutifully ignored for this entire thread that until now, people in lower tax states with your income had a higher tax liability than you.

You've dutifully ignored that people in lower tax states cannot be held responsible for what the people of YOUR state chooses to do.

And finally. You have dutifully ignored that the old policy was effectively the Fed giving people who VOTED FOR HIGHER TAXES a break on Fed taxes.

You ignore these on purpose because they completely gut your absurd paradigm.

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The point is, your argument is faulty.

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Nope.

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The Federal government should have NO DOG in that hunt. The Federal govt policy should be FEDERAL govt policy.

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The federal government doesn't have a dog in that hunt. This is about not double, triple, and quadruple taxing income.

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It shouldn't be, "here's our rate...........oh........wait........you decided LOCALLY to give your LOCAL politicians more?............OK......you don't have to give us as much".

I mean, if you REALLY think about that, it's retarded.

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You're making an argument for eliminating ALL deductions, not just SALT. We should all be taxed on our gross income, with no modifications. I'm okay with that as long as all legal people are held to the same standard. That means corporations are taxed on gross revenue, not profit. Unprofitable corporations don't get a free pass anymore.

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By definition, that policy:
1)Reduces taxes for people who VOTED for more taxes

while

2)Increasing taxes for those who VOTED for FEWER taxes!

An absurdity.

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Uhh, no it doesn't. Increasing someone's state income tax rate does not reduce their total tax bill. SALT is a tax deduction, not a tax credit. How do you not understand these fundamental concepts?

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Just like people can move out of California because its taxes are too high, people can move to California if its high taxes are the massive advantage you seem to think they are.

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Nice try.

I mean, not even close to a response. But, that's cause you really don't have one.

The Fed treating everyone the same and then letting THEM choose locally what kind of local taxes they want is far superior than the Fed creating a rate........then when local people VOTE themselves higher taxes, the Fed gives them a break.

I can tell you know this point is unassailable because you've spent 5 pages avoiding it.

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The federal government doesn't have a dog in that hunt. This is about not double, triple, and quadruple taxing income.

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The fed can't help that local citizens chose to do that to themselves.

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You're making an argument for eliminating ALL deductions, not just SALT.

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LOL. No.

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That means corporations are taxed on gross revenue, not profit. Unprofitable corporations don't get a free pass anymore.

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This is just spectacularly dumb comparison.

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Uhh, no it doesn't. Increasing someone's state income tax rate does not reduce their total tax bill.

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I can only assume you can't read here because I said no such thing. Read again.

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SALT is a tax deduction, not a tax credit. How do you not understand these fundamental concepts?

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Did I claim it was a credit? Again, I can only assume you misread.

In any case, nice try at slipping in "total tax bill". The Fed isn't responsible for your "total tax bill". Raising your local taxes previously reduced your FEDERAL tax bill.

Now, it doesn't.

You're trying to wriggle. But, I can tell you realize you're on quicksand.