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re: Medicine Isn't A Science. Practice of the diagnosis, treatment, and prevention of disease

Posted on 7/26/22 at 6:13 pm to
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
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Posted on 7/26/22 at 6:13 pm to
You can prove your physics. Thousands of times. Repeatedly. In experiments. So I don't blame you one bit. Congrats on real science.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 6:14 pm to
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You can prove your physics. Thousands of times. Repeatedly. In experiments. So I don't blame you one bit. Congrats on real science.



Yet you don't believe in gravity...
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
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Posted on 7/26/22 at 6:15 pm to
Can blood transmit disease causing microbes to others?
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 6:16 pm to
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Just prove it's from a sneeze or drinking someone else's cup one time. It's an easy experiment.


What exactly are you trying to say?

It’s equivalent to asking us to link the study of someone dropping a ball to show that it falls to earth thus proving gravity exists. Just because I can’t link that study doesn’t mean gravity doesn’t exist.
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 6:18 pm to
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Yet you don't believe in gravity...
Correct because it can't be proven in experiments. I am 100% consistent
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 6:19 pm to
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Correct because it can't be proven in experiments. I am 100% consistent



Then can we finally talk about what you thought the Rosenau experiment proved? Lol.
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 6:22 pm to
I never thought that. You dragged it out of me, along with other studies that simply showed airborn phlegm didn't infect people in those cases. Just do the same study and get people sick. I want you to prove it. You know that. You have always known that. I was telling you this at the time. You continue to harp on it as pure dishonest hackery. I do not care about that study. I care about your lack of studies. And you know that.
This post was edited on 7/26/22 at 6:23 pm
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 6:24 pm to
Can you at least tell us how people get sick?

The suspense is killing me
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 6:25 pm to
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It’s equivalent to asking us to link the study of someone dropping a ball to show that it falls to earth thus proving gravity exists.
that would not prove gravity exists. That's not the theory of gravity
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 6:25 pm to
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Can you at least tell us how people get sick?

The suspense is killing me
Thank you. That's exactly what I'm waiting for
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 6:28 pm to
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I never thought that. You dragged it out of me, along with other studies that simply showed airborn phlegm didn't infect people in those cases.


lol.

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I do not care about that study.


You posted it.
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 6:28 pm to
Tldr no proof
Posted by VolcanicTiger
Member since Apr 2022
5933 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 6:29 pm to
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I recognize these tactics. It makes me think I absolutely must be right.
I'd say the problem is your logic is terrible. I'm a doctor, majored in Microbiology. Am I part of the conspiracy, or did elves sneak into the labs when we weren't looking and sabotage our work?
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 6:31 pm to
When did they prove airborn human to human contagion to you? What's your direct scientific basis for it?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139071 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 6:31 pm to
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I've looked for them. I've demanded them.
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"I cut him open from the chest to the stomach, and he screamed terribly, and his face was all twisted in agony. He made this unimaginable sound, he was screaming so horribly. But then finally he stopped. This was all in a day's work for the surgeons, but it really left an impression on me because it was my first time."

Finally the old man, who insisted on anonymity, explained the reason for the vivisection. The Chinese prisoner had been deliberately infected with the plague as part of a research project -- the full horror of which is only now emerging -- to develop plague bombs for use in World War II. After infecting him, the researchers decided to cut him open to see what the disease does to a man's inside. No anesthetic was used, he said, out of concern that it might have an effect on the results.

That research program was one of the great secrets of Japan during and after World War II: a vast project to develop weapons of biological warfare, including plague, anthrax, cholera and a dozen other pathogens. Unit 731 of the Japanese Imperial Army conducted research by experimenting on humans and by "field testing" plague bombs by dropping them on Chinese cities to see whether they could start plague outbreaks. They could.
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Japanese troops also dropped cholera and typhoid cultures in wells and ponds, but the results were often counterproductive. In 1942 germ warfare specialists distributed dysentery, cholera and typhoid in Zhejiang Province in China, but Japanese soldiers became ill and 1,700 died of the diseases, scholars say.
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plague-infected animals were released as the war was ending and caused outbreaks of the plague that killed at least 30,000 people in the Harbin area from 1946 through 1948.

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One was an early test performed on three communist guerrillas. Ishii prepared for the test by commandeering forty mice that were captured in a natural plague area along the Manchurian-Soviet border.

Some fleas were lured from the mice, and a bacterium produced from the plague-infected fleas was injected into the prisoners. All three victims were soon delirious with fever. On the twelfth day, one guerrilla was observed with a temperature of 40 degrees Celsius. Another’s fever was recorded as 39 degrees Celsius on the nineteenth day of his ordeal. There is no record for the third patient. However, all three were dissected while unconscious.

In 1939 Ishii, in a nostalgic moment, recalled to a subordinate some of his earlier exploits at Beiyinhe. One story involved human experiments with plague and cholera. Major Karasawa Tomio, during intensive Soviet interrogation in 1946, remembered that “In the winter of 1939…Ishii told me that he had experimented on cholera and plague on the mounted bandits of Manchuria during 1933–1934 and discovered that plague was effective” as a BW weapon.
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Still another confession: “I committed a crime against humanity. I admit that testing the action of bacteriological weapons on living people by forcibly injecting them with serious infectious diseases, as was practiced by the detachment [Unit 731] with my participation, and also the wholesale slaughter of the experimentees with lethal bacteria are barbarous and criminal.”
(Testimony of Kawashima Kiyoshi, Khabarovsk Trial, p. 58)
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Ishii and Kitano Masaji (Ishii’s successor from early 1942 until spring 1945) adopted the shotgun approach to studying potentially useful BW pathogens. They worked with human subjects on diseases that ranged from anthrax to yellow fever. They researched human reactions to plague, typhoid, paratyphoid A and B, typhus, smallpox, tularemia, infectious jaundice, gas gangrene, tetanus, cholera, dysentery, glanders, scarlet fever, undulant fever, tick encephalitis, “songo” or epidemic hemorrhagic fever, whooping cough, diphtheria, pneumonia, brysipelas, epidemic cerebrospinal meningitis, venereal diseases, tuberculosis, salmonella, frostbite, and countless other diseases that were endemic to the communities and surrounding regions that fell within the responsibility of a Unit 731 branch Water Purification Unit.7 No one has been able to catalogue completely all the maladies that the various death factories in Manchuria visited on human guinea pigs.

Testing pathogens on humans was only a single chapter, albeit a major one, in Ishii’s BW enterprise. Other secret research carried out by Ishii and his associates “had the twofold purpose of determining 1) Methods of culture of biological warfare agents; 2) Methods of dissemination.”8 Under the rubric “Defensive Research,” unit technicians produced vaccines for eighteen diseases. For “Offensive Research,” scientists worked on at least twelve different organisms, including those that cause plague, glanders, anthrax, and typhus.

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Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 6:34 pm to
Every time you post a journalistic article about a war crime under war propaganda 80 years ago, I only confront more the fact that you don't have a real study. It should be so simple. It should have been done dozens of time with covid and every other disease in real modern verified laboratory settings.

2nd link didn't work
This post was edited on 7/26/22 at 6:35 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 6:35 pm to
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It should have been done dozens of time with covid and every other disease in real modern verified laboratory settings.


Sure thing gravity boy.

Post Rosenau again.
Posted by VolcanicTiger
Member since Apr 2022
5933 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 6:35 pm to
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When did they prove airborn human to human contagion to you? What's your direct scientific basis for it?
Don't mistake this for me taking you seriously, but what specifically are you denying?
Microbes?
Air?
Microbes moving through the air?
That microbes cause disease?
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 6:35 pm to
Tldr no proof
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 6:36 pm to
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Don't mistake this for me taking you seriously, but what specifically are you denying?
Microbes?
Air?
Microbes moving through the air?
That microbes cause disease?


I am STATING there is no proof of human to human airborn or saliva contagion of any disease and this is highly highly suspect. Stay on that. Think on that.
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