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re: Medicine Isn't A Science. Practice of the diagnosis, treatment, and prevention of disease
Posted on 7/26/22 at 2:59 pm to Gaggle
Posted on 7/26/22 at 2:59 pm to Gaggle
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I am aware there is no proof of the theory and the system is highly corrupt and wrong. You are ignorant of that. I used to be ignorant like everyone else. But maybe you can investigate and learn
Post the Rosenau links again so he can investigate you little turd.
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Posted on 7/26/22 at 3:05 pm to crazy4lsu
I have stated my case as plainly as I can (with some added creativity)
We live out of balance
Cycles and rhythms regulate this balance in an amazingly interconnected manner (not a controversial statement
)
Modern influences have led to cultural / evolutionary mismatches and uniquely modern maladies (Professor Lieberman’s position that I agree with)
Those that claim authority to fix the problems will never as they cannot acknowledge the fundamentals contributing to the problems. Your demeanor in this thread reinforces the hubris of those who think they already know the answers.
We live out of balance
Cycles and rhythms regulate this balance in an amazingly interconnected manner (not a controversial statement
) Modern influences have led to cultural / evolutionary mismatches and uniquely modern maladies (Professor Lieberman’s position that I agree with)
Those that claim authority to fix the problems will never as they cannot acknowledge the fundamentals contributing to the problems. Your demeanor in this thread reinforces the hubris of those who think they already know the answers.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 3:06 pm to Gaggle
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Just post proof. It's very easy. You're just making my reward greater in heaven.
What does this even mean?
Posted on 7/26/22 at 3:06 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Is that when they came up with those charts with 10 faces and you had to tell them what level of pain you were having? Do they still use PCA pumps for self pain control?
But when the Obama Administration basically told hospitals either give pts narcotics, or prepare to sacrifice CMS reimbursement, the number of oxycontin pills floating on the market escalated logarithmically. Availability led to abuse. Abuse led to brand familiarity, which led to increased demand in the criminal market.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 3:11 pm to Gaggle
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I am aware there is no proof of the theory and the system is highly corrupt and wrong. You are ignorant of that. I used to be ignorant like everyone else. But maybe you can investigate and learn
Wait, are you arguing the science or political side now?
Posted on 7/26/22 at 3:12 pm to i am dan
Germ theory is not science. The word science has been politicized to fool you into thinking unscientific things are scientific
Posted on 7/26/22 at 3:13 pm to Gaggle
quote:Let's see.
You have not given an example.
The Guinea Pig experiments where you incorrectly claimed animals were "irradiated" and controls caught TB. Applying lessons learned there drastically altered iatrogenic TB.
Smallpox was once a killer disease. 18th century illiterates knew if they gave aboriginal Americans blankets of infected people those indigenous populations would get wiped out. By the end of the century, we knew exposure to cowpox protected from smallpox and began vaccinating. Toward the end of the 1970's smallpox was declared eradicated d/t widespread vaccination and infectious precautions.
Likewise, Largepox aka the pox aka syphilis, was a huge problem prior to PCN. Prior to PCN, major medical texts were written on Syphilogy which became a field nearly unto itself. But we are now in te era of antibiotics. So aside from yourself, when is the last case of tabes dorsalis you came across?
Anyway a couple more classic examples.
We discussed the horrible Japanese and German'Nazi WWII "experiments" involving direct infection.
We discussed septicemia, microscopic and cultural identification, with AB susceptibility/resistance. You haven't a clue as to what I'm saying though do you?
This post was edited on 7/26/22 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 7/26/22 at 3:16 pm to NC_Tigah
That's no examples. I asked for humans. So guinea pigs is never valid. Apocryphal stories from history and declarations of credit.
A very simple human experiment. You have to acknowledge it could very easily be done. And confront with 100 years why on earth it hasn't.
A very simple human experiment. You have to acknowledge it could very easily be done. And confront with 100 years why on earth it hasn't.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 3:22 pm to Diamondawg
quote:That was the late 1990s and the govt push for pain as a vital sign.
Is that when they came up with those charts with 10 faces and you had to tell them what level of pain you were having?
Posted on 7/26/22 at 3:23 pm to crazy4lsu
Forgot to include this:
https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/2017/press-release/
This will take 20+ years to trickle down to most doctors before being widely accepted as “common knowledge”
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way
https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/2017/press-release/
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The Nobel Assembly at Karolinska Institutet has today decided to award the 2017 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine jointly to Jeffrey C. Hall, Michael Rosbash and Michael W. Young for their discoveries of molecular mechanisms controlling the circadian rhythm
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Life on Earth is adapted to the rotation of our planet. For many years we have known that living organisms, including humans, have an internal, biological clock that helps them anticipate and adapt to the regular rhythm of the day. But how does this clock actually work? Jeffrey C. Hall, Michael Rosbash and Michael W. Young were able to peek inside our biological clock and elucidate its inner workings. Their discoveries explain how plants, animals and humans adapt their biological rhythm so that it is synchronized with the Earth’s revolutions. Using fruit flies as a model organism, this year’s Nobel laureates isolated a gene that controls the normal daily biological rhythm. They showed that this gene encodes a protein that accumulates in the cell during the night, and is then degraded during the day. Subsequently, they identified additional protein components of this machinery, exposing the mechanism governing the self-sustaining clockwork inside the cell. We now recognize that biological clocks function by the same principles in cells of other multicellular organisms, including humans.
With exquisite precision, our inner clock adapts our physiology to the dramatically different phases of the day. The clock regulates critical functions such as behavior, hormone levels, sleep, body temperature and metabolism. Our wellbeing is affected when there is a temporary mismatch between our external environment and this internal biological clock, for example when we travel across several time zones and experience “jet lag”. There are also indications that chronic misalignment between our lifestyle and the rhythm dictated by our inner timekeeper is associated with increased risk for various diseases.
This will take 20+ years to trickle down to most doctors before being widely accepted as “common knowledge”
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way
Posted on 7/26/22 at 3:26 pm to ThinePreparedAni
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I have stated my case as plainly as I can (with some added creativity)
You also posted the cell cycle as though it was meaningful, without understanding the context of it in the human body (hint: not all cells in the human experience the cycle the same way). Next time maybe you’ll post the Cori Cycle or the TCA cycle.
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Cycles and rhythms regulate this balance in an amazingly interconnected manner (not a controversial statement
Don’t be dishonest, you posted that from an evolutionary perspective, we were designed to withstand cycles of famine and abundance. That you try to conflate a benign statement with a much more idiotic one is pretty dishonest.
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Those that claim authority to fix the problems will never as they cannot acknowledge the fundamentals contributing to the problems.
You cannot even accurately describe the development of certain ideas, as in why and in why context did the catecholamines theory of depression arise. You aren’t familiar with any aspect of the debate, yet you are sure that these supposed people don’t acknowledge issues as you post things from mainstream journals. Think things through for once.
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Your demeanor in this thread reinforces the hubris of those who think they already know the answers.
I don’t know the answers but I definitely know you have no ability to be honest about the nature of debate either. You’ve proven that time and again. You find something you want to believe and then read half of an abstract, and don’t actually engage with the details. Your last post in the other psych thread was evidence of that.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 3:26 pm to Gaggle
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That's no examples.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 3:27 pm to Penrod
Well, since we have learned the government has been lying about so much over the last 10 years, people are starting to question everything. I personally relearned most of history. This post truth world sucks. Some people take it way too far though
Posted on 7/26/22 at 3:27 pm to ThinePreparedAni
Melatonin for sleep has been around longer than 2017 hasn't it? I've been taking it for a while but don't remember when I started it.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 3:29 pm to ThinePreparedAni
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This will take 20+ years to trickle down to most doctors before being widely accepted as “common knowledge” Waiting for someone or something to show you the way
Oh thankfully I have a schizophrenic woman here to show me the way without any reference to discontents. Again, I’ll spend hours on something to understand fully the context, and you’ll post links with some quotes, and can’t even fit this information into the framework which these researchers themselves acknowledge. Do you understand how idiotic that is?
Posted on 7/26/22 at 3:29 pm to LookSquirrel
Can I convince you that, as stated earlier, my wife went through 17 rounds of chemotherapy and 35 rounds of radiation for Ewing’s Sarcoma and is doing exponentially better than patients 25 years ago who just received chemotherapy? No, but you are more than welcome to look up the survival rates of patients who use homeopathic treatments or nothing at all which is zero percent. There are dozens of other cancers out there where treatment consists of surgery or surgery and very mild radiation which require no chemotherapy. Chemotherapy therapy is only effective on rapidly dividing cancer cells, many cancers are very slow growing and can be controlled by other means.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 3:30 pm to NC_Tigah
You are such a dishonest hack. You really can't see those don't approach a criteria for proof? You can clearly see how flimsy and spurious that is, and it should give you pause that that is the best you can do. You are outright ignoring the very basic criteria I lay out that would prove human to human contagion and pretending something else spurious is proof.
It is a simple experiment. There is absolutely no excuse for it not existing. You are filled with dishonesty and protectionism
It is a simple experiment. There is absolutely no excuse for it not existing. You are filled with dishonesty and protectionism
This post was edited on 7/26/22 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 7/26/22 at 3:31 pm to Gaggle
Post the Roseau links again you dumb hack.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 3:37 pm to crazy4lsu
You exist as living perpetual proof positive that doctors have no real science and experimental proof behind their practice and their authority is derived entirely from arrogance, credentials, protectionism, group dynamics.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 3:41 pm to Gaggle
Are you suggesting that the only people who have died from AIDS are individuals who already had devastated immune systems from other illnesses? That AZT is more deadly than the disease itself? That would make sense if children didn’t contract it through other means and die from a lack of treatment who never took AZT because it is extremely expensive
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