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re: Mass shooting at Mandalay Bay
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:14 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:14 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:19 am to Apache
Only on Boston 25: Exclusive photos of Las Vegas shooter’s guns | Boston 25 News
Crime scene to concert shooting length: was 4 football fields away.
Crime scene to concert shooting length: was 4 football fields away.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:20 am to cajunangelle
Looks like a run of the mill AR-15.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:26 am to BamaFan89
No way that was the primary weapon used.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:30 am to imjustafatkid
Countdown to a national discussion about how he got those mags...
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:37 am to Fontainebleau Dr.
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Terror experts puzzled by ISIS claim in Las Vegas attack | TheHill
Less than 12 hours after a man identified by police as Stephen Paddock opened fire on an outdoor country music concert, killing at least 59 and perpetrating the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history, the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) issued a statement that puzzled terror experts.
The group took credit for the attack on its semi-official news agency, Amaq.
So far, there is no evidence that ISIS was involved beyond the group’s own assurance that Paddock was “a soldier of the Caliphate.” The group later doubled down on its claim, saying Paddock converted to Islam months ago.
The FBI has said it does not believe the attack was connected to an international terrorist group. And Paddock, at 64, does not fit the profile of a young ISIS recruit.
“This is, to say the least, very strange,” tweeted Amarnath Amarasingam, a research fellow at George Washington University’s extremism program.
Historically, ISIS has not been arbitrary in the attacks it claims have been carried out by its supporters. Experts who track the group closely say that when it comes to attacks in the West, if ISIS is claiming responsibility, there typically was some kind of connection between the perpetrator and the group.
The group does often claim responsibility for attacks that may have been merely inspired by the group’s ideology — not directed or funded by ISIS leadership. In either case, the group will credit “a soldier of the Caliphate.”
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:39 am to Fontainebleau Dr.
That article seems to indicate that no attack ISIS officially took credit for has turned out to not be an ISIS attack.
ISIS has officially claimed this attack, not simply had a newspaper report it.
quote:
Historically, the majority of the Islamic State's claimed attacks were carried out by people acting in its name, but the group has made multiple spurious claims in recent memory. Notably, the group claimed credit for a deadly mass shooting at a Manila casino in June, although no connection between the gunman and the group was ever discovered.
The Islamic State claim was reported by Amaq, a news agency that has been linked to the terrorist group but has not formally acknowledged the connection. As Islamic State expert Aymenn Jawad Al-Tamimi wrote in a blog post on Monday, releasing the statement through Amaq gives the Islamic State plausible deniability if no connection between the group and the gunman emerges.
"This saves the Islamic State the trouble of having to 'retract' a claim, since from the standpoint of communicating to the external world, no formal claim was made if the only material ever issued was an Amaq News report relying on a mere 'source,'" Al-Tamimi wrote.
ISIS has officially claimed this attack, not simply had a newspaper report it.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:50 am to imjustafatkid
Note the hammer in the upper left pic. He obviously shot the windows and then bashed them out with that hammer.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 10:22 am to Numberwang
My personal hypothesis, based only on the announced news that he was a high roller in Las Vegas, 64 years old, was "wealthy" and had retired a number of years ago, is that he lost all or most of his fortune gambling and was angry at the world over it.
There could also be a genetic component to his craziness. His father made the FBI's 10 most wanted list and had been described by the FBI as a "dangerous psychopath". Maybe it took 64 years for that to come to the fore.
Obviously, all of the above is speculation on my part. The facts, as they are verified, could very well change that view.
BTW, I liked the way the Las Vegas sheriff handled his press conference last night. He refused to speculate at all and said only verified facts would be released. Sounded like a well grounded guy.
There could also be a genetic component to his craziness. His father made the FBI's 10 most wanted list and had been described by the FBI as a "dangerous psychopath". Maybe it took 64 years for that to come to the fore.
Obviously, all of the above is speculation on my part. The facts, as they are verified, could very well change that view.
BTW, I liked the way the Las Vegas sheriff handled his press conference last night. He refused to speculate at all and said only verified facts would be released. Sounded like a well grounded guy.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 10:33 am to wmr
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I wonder what New Year's will be like this year? They shut it down and the Blvd fills with people.
Will people feel safe doing that?
It's a mass of humanity to be sure - one that I have always stayed away from. I don't like being around that many people. My parents routinely come down for it though. Maybe now they will have second thoughts.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 10:41 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Yeah I'm going to cower in fear anytime I'm outside with a bunch of people
Ok John Wayne. I didn't say live your life in fear. You live with the notion that you are being protected by the people taking your money to give you a safe outlet. Not just safe from dying in a fire.
Next time you are in an open air venue where skyscrapers are nearby? Or large buildings with walls of windows, it won't enter your mind, "man I hope they secure those buildings".
It's not your job to cower. It IS somebody else's job to try and keep you and others safe. Why are there concrete pillars placed at the entrances to stadiums? Why are they all askew? Engineers were tasked with making those angles and spaces where no vehicle can slam through but foot traffic can.
It now needs to be someone's task on how we keep these new scenarios safe. You can't honestly think the Mandalay Bay and that concert venue can survive if they'd do NOTHING?
Posted on 10/3/17 at 1:04 pm to Xenophon
quote:
Countdown to a national discussion about how he got those mags...
He wasn't using 30 rd mags to shoot across the street and I doubt those were the guns he used to do it with either. These photos seem to be trying to set a narrative for later debate.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 1:13 pm to MrLarson
Why did it take so long for them to act?
LINK
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“I feel like I didn’t do enough. I feel like I couldn’t get a hold of somebody quick enough to let them know. And it felt like it took them too long to get over there… to take him out. To get him. And it’s actually eating me up inside,” said Bethel. “I just need to go home. That’s my thing. I need to go home to my family. And just process all of this.”
LINK
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:08 pm to excalibur
I hate to sound so cold hearted and detached from this, but indulge me for a minute, please
Out of the 22,000 there only 60 passed away correct? Which one is the shooter. Okay if this clown knew what he was doing, why did he go full auto? He just sprayed and hoped. If he was any sort of trained, would he not have put it on 3 shot burst, got the shots off and made the most of them?
Now with that in mind, 59 people killed as unfortunate as it is, think of how lucky it is only that many were killed, as it should have been much worse. He had the advantage of cover, height, and surprise.
Out of the 22,000 there only 60 passed away correct? Which one is the shooter. Okay if this clown knew what he was doing, why did he go full auto? He just sprayed and hoped. If he was any sort of trained, would he not have put it on 3 shot burst, got the shots off and made the most of them?
Now with that in mind, 59 people killed as unfortunate as it is, think of how lucky it is only that many were killed, as it should have been much worse. He had the advantage of cover, height, and surprise.
This post was edited on 10/3/17 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:08 pm to cajunangelle
@ that reporter's ignorance. Pop those pins out and check for modifications. Do a little research 
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:09 pm to sms151t
Nah its a miracle it wasnt much worse
Peoples heroism likely played a role in reducing some casualties.
Peoples heroism likely played a role in reducing some casualties.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:11 pm to LosLobos111
Am I wrong in my assumption though that if he knew anything or was trained he would not go full auto? Because I was told auto is for suppression and hard to control. I have never fired a fully automatic weapon, so if I am wrong, please tell me.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:12 pm to sms151t
You don't need control spraying onto a crowd of 20k people 400 yards away.
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