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re: Markets may be turbulent tomorrow due to contraction in the AI sector
Posted on 1/26/25 at 9:16 pm to BCreed1
Posted on 1/26/25 at 9:16 pm to BCreed1
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I do not buy into anything the Chinese say.
China is full of shite. That’s typically what happens. There’s no way they did what they say they did.
Posted on 1/26/25 at 9:20 pm to stout
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He has been anti Trump for years until last week when he kissed Trump's arse but more than that is that he lied. He raised $50 million from Elon and promised ChatGPT would be open source and nonprofit but he changed to a for-profit model and got greedy.
Plus ChatGPT is not very good at difficult algebra. It wanted to solve (1+i)^10-5(1+i)^5+4=0 numerically and it's a very simple quadratic.
Posted on 1/26/25 at 9:23 pm to BigPerm30
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China is full of shite. That’s typically what happens. There’s no way they did what they say they did.
China generally is full of shite but in this case this AI stuff seems overhyped.
Link to https://www.deepseek.com/
Posted on 1/26/25 at 9:26 pm to Bwmdx
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I think they just stole ChatGPT code and optimized it
The thing that puzzles me is that AI is more than just code. It requires access to models and language and processors to do the compute on that.
How is it possible that this AI can allegedly compete without access to that data? Or did they illegally use the data?
Posted on 1/26/25 at 9:30 pm to GumboPot
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China generally is full of shite but in this case this AI stuff seems overhyped.
They didn’t do it for $6 million or whatever they are claiming. The government is likely subsidizing this big time and trying to disrupt the market.
Posted on 1/26/25 at 9:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
I tested ChatGPT and DeepSeek to solve this algebra problem:
(1+i)^10-5(1+i)^5+4=0.
Both attempted it numerically and came to the conclusion there was no solution.
For both AIs I said, "Looks like i=4^(1/5)-1 works."
ChatGPT responded, "yes indeed it is a solution" and sourced Mathway and Symbolab.
DeepSeek responded "You're absolutely correct! Let's verify your solution step by step."
Bottom line once you do a substitution for (i+1) this becomes a high school algebra problem. Both AIs were not intuitive enough to make the substitution then fell into a trap in their first attempts.
(1+i)^10-5(1+i)^5+4=0.
Both attempted it numerically and came to the conclusion there was no solution.
For both AIs I said, "Looks like i=4^(1/5)-1 works."
ChatGPT responded, "yes indeed it is a solution" and sourced Mathway and Symbolab.
DeepSeek responded "You're absolutely correct! Let's verify your solution step by step."
Bottom line once you do a substitution for (i+1) this becomes a high school algebra problem. Both AIs were not intuitive enough to make the substitution then fell into a trap in their first attempts.
This post was edited on 1/26/25 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 1/26/25 at 9:36 pm to BigPerm30
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They didn’t do it for $6 million or whatever they are claiming. The government is likely subsidizing this big time and trying to disrupt the market.
Isn't the biggest cost for these AI companies adequate computing power (hence why NVidea is so expensive now)?
From everything I know about AI, it's not something that mor efficient code can solve. It's a combination of massive amounts of written data to process and massive amounts of computer to do that processing in real time.
Posted on 1/26/25 at 9:37 pm to BigPerm30
Posted on 1/26/25 at 9:39 pm to John Barron
I welcome the competition.
Big Tech AI overlords overruling us: ON [OFF]
Big Tech AI overlords overruling us: ON [OFF]
This post was edited on 1/26/25 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 1/26/25 at 9:40 pm to LSURussian
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Please explain this to me like I'm John Barron...
After inflation hit and rates rose, the economy in Silicon Valley was turbulent for companies, as the cheap money (especially during the Covid printing under Trump and Biden) led to recklessness with the investing industry.
Magically, ChatGPT was released and AI became the new "it" thing, leading to massive investment into tech companies again. NVidea produces chips that work with AI processing the best, so their market cap has exploded like none other. Lots of new valuations in companies are based in this SV Gold Rush (mostly just plugging into the next big thing).
A new tech was purportedly released by China that purportedly gives similar AI tech to our current tech at a fraction of the cost and without the need for the same computing power. So all of that SV money may have been invested inefficiently, in hindsight.
Posted on 1/26/25 at 9:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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From everything I know about AI, it's not something that mor efficient code can solve.
Your wrong....again
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 1/26/25 at 9:44 pm to John Barron
You can't engage in this conversation independent of posting other's tweets (that you don't understand).


Posted on 1/26/25 at 9:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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After inflation hit and rates rose, the economy in Silicon Valley was turbulent for companies, as the cheap money (especially during the Covid printing under Trump and Biden) led to recklessness with the investing industry.
Serious question, how did Covid money benefit Silicon Valley? PPP loans? I thought the biggest beneficiaries were state and local governments, hospitals and Big Pharma. Maybe I'll ask DeepSeek.
This post was edited on 1/26/25 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 1/26/25 at 9:47 pm to stout
I miss when AI was the paper clip on Microsoft Word.
Posted on 1/26/25 at 9:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Slowfrick can't
Listen to an expert in the Field tell him what the facts are. Because he thinks he is smarter than everyone else. When the truth is... he is a discount divorce lawyer
Posted on 1/26/25 at 9:52 pm to GumboPot
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how did Covid money benefit Silicon Valley?
Part of it was consumers making tons of money on Covid unemployment (more money to buy the goods/products of SV), part of it was them using this money to YOLO in the market and crypto.
But the bigger part was the cheap money from lowered interest rates.
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Maybe I'll ask DeepSeek.
I asked ChatGPT (Free)
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How did Covid spending help create a bubble in Silicon Valley
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ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT
COVID-related spending, especially in the U.S., played a significant role in creating a bubble in Silicon Valley by injecting a massive influx of capital into the tech sector. Here's how it happened:
1. Surge in Venture Capital and Investment:
Government stimulus checks, low interest rates, and quantitative easing provided individuals and institutions with unprecedented liquidity. Many investors, flush with cash, sought higher returns by pouring money into riskier tech startups and venture capital funds.
Venture capitalists increased funding rounds and valuations for tech companies, leading to an overheated market.
2. Tech-Driven Pandemic Economy:
The pandemic accelerated demand for digital transformation, remote work tools, e-commerce platforms, and other tech solutions.
Companies like Zoom, Shopify, and other SaaS providers saw meteoric growth, attracting more capital and inspiring a wave of startups aimed at remote work, health tech, and digital-first services.
3. Speculative Behavior and Exuberance:
With low interest rates, speculative investments became common. Cryptocurrencies, NFTs, and SPACs (Special Purpose Acquisition Companies) flourished, with many tied to Silicon Valley innovation.
This speculative bubble was further fueled by the fear of missing out (FOMO) and the perception that tech was the safest, fastest-growing sector.
4. Public Market Boom and IPO Frenzy:
Stimulus measures and liquidity in the system led to soaring stock market valuations, with tech stocks leading the charge.
Many Silicon Valley startups went public or achieved "unicorn" status with billion-dollar valuations, further inflating the bubble.
5. Real Estate and Talent Costs:
The tech boom drove up the cost of living in Silicon Valley, as tech companies competed for top talent, inflating salaries and driving demand for housing.
Companies expanding offices or providing remote-work perks added to the cost pressures, reinforcing the perception of unlimited growth.
6. Government-Funded Innovation:
Some pandemic relief measures indirectly benefited the tech industry. For example, Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) loans helped startups maintain operations, and increased government contracts for digital services spurred growth in certain tech subsectors.
The Outcome:
This confluence of factors created unsustainable valuations and expectations for growth in Silicon Valley. However, as interest rates began to rise and pandemic-related tailwinds waned, the bubble started to deflate. Many tech companies faced layoffs, reduced funding rounds, and declining stock prices as the market adjusted to more realistic growth expectations.
Would you like a deeper dive into any specific aspect, such as SPACs or the impact on startups?
And Gemini (paid, 2.0 Experimental Advanced)
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The unprecedented levels of government spending during the COVID-19 pandemic, while intended to stabilize the economy, also played a significant role in creating a "bubble" environment, particularly noticeable in Silicon Valley. Here's a breakdown of how it happened:
1. Increased Liquidity and Low Interest Rates:
Stimulus Checks & Expanded Unemployment Benefits: Direct payments to individuals and enhanced unemployment benefits injected a massive amount of cash into the economy. While intended for essentials, a portion of this money found its way into savings and investments.
Quantitative Easing (QE): The Federal Reserve purchased trillions of dollars in assets, primarily government bonds and mortgage-backed securities. This further increased the money supply and pushed interest rates to historic lows.
Near-Zero Interest Rates: The Fed slashed interest rates to near zero to encourage borrowing and spending. While it helped stimulate the economy, it also made traditional savings less attractive and encouraged investors to seek higher returns in riskier assets.
2. Impact on Silicon Valley:
Surge in Tech Investment: With a flood of cheap capital and low interest rates, investors poured money into the tech sector, seen as a high-growth area. This fueled a boom in venture capital funding, particularly for startups focused on areas like remote work, e-commerce, and digital entertainment, which were thriving during lockdowns.
Inflated Valuations: The massive influx of capital, coupled with the hype surrounding tech companies, drove up valuations to unsustainable levels. Many companies, even those with unproven business models, saw their valuations skyrocket based on future potential rather than current profitability.
IPO Boom: The abundance of capital and investor enthusiasm led to a record number of initial public offerings (IPOs). Many tech companies rushed to go public, often at inflated valuations, further fueling the bubble.
Hiring Spree and Salary Inflation: Tech companies, flush with cash, engaged in aggressive hiring, leading to a talent war and significant salary inflation. This added to the overall cost structure of these companies and contributed to the sense of a frothy market.
SPACs: It should be noted that the rise of SPACs also contributed to the bubble conditions. SPACs are essentially "blank check" companies formed with the purpose of acquiring another company. They were a quick, relatively easy way for startups to go public. This is another way that Covid spending helped lead to the inflated valuations.
3. The Bubble Starts to Burst:
Inflation and Interest Rate Hikes: As the economy recovered and demand surged, inflation began to rise. To combat this, the Federal Reserve started raising interest rates in 2022, reversing its earlier policy.
Tech Stock Correction: Higher interest rates made borrowing more expensive and reduced the attractiveness of growth stocks, whose valuations are often based on future earnings. This triggered a significant correction in tech stock prices, wiping out trillions of dollars in market value.
Layoffs and Cost-Cutting: As valuations plummeted and funding dried up, many tech companies, especially startups, were forced to lay off employees, scale back operations, and cut costs to survive.
In essence:
The COVID-related spending created an environment of excess liquidity and low interest rates. This fueled a speculative frenzy in the stock market, particularly in the tech sector. Silicon Valley, as the epicenter of the tech industry, experienced a massive influx of capital, inflated valuations, and a boom in IPOs and hiring. However, as the economic landscape shifted with rising inflation and interest rates, the bubble began to burst, leading to a significant correction and a period of readjustment for the tech industry.
It's important to note that this is a simplified explanation of a complex phenomenon. Many other factors, including supply chain disruptions, geopolitical events, and changing consumer behavior, also played a role in shaping the economic environment during and after the pandemic.
Posted on 1/26/25 at 9:53 pm to John Barron
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Listen to an expert in the Field
Would you say he's unbiased?
What unbiased sources do you have evaluating this AI?
Posted on 1/26/25 at 9:56 pm to John Barron
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Listen to an expert in the Field tell him what the facts are.
He didn't offer anything of substance other than "yeah well they just, like, did it better", also, FWIW
Posted on 1/26/25 at 10:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I asked ChatGPT (Free)
DeepSeek is free too:
Here is DeepSeek's answer:
The COVID-19 pandemic had a significant impact on the global economy, and Silicon Valley, as a hub of technology and innovation, experienced both challenges and opportunities. Here are some ways in which COVID-related money and policies benefited Silicon Valley:
### 1. **Government Stimulus and Relief Programs**
- **Paycheck Protection Program (PPP):** Many small and medium-sized tech companies in Silicon Valley were able to access loans through the PPP, which helped them retain employees and stay afloat during the economic downturn.
- **Economic Impact Payments:** Stimulus checks provided to individuals increased disposable income, some of which was spent on technology products and services, benefiting tech companies.
### 2. **Increased Demand for Tech Products and Services**
- **Remote Work and Collaboration Tools:** The shift to remote work led to a surge in demand for software and services that facilitate remote collaboration, such as Zoom, Slack, Microsoft Teams, and Google Workspace. Many of these companies are based in or have significant operations in Silicon Valley.
- **E-commerce and Delivery Services:** With lockdowns and social distancing measures in place, there was a significant increase in online shopping and food delivery services, benefiting companies like Amazon, DoorDash, and Instacart.
- **Cloud Computing and Infrastructure:** The need for robust cloud infrastructure to support remote work, online education, and entertainment streaming services led to increased demand for cloud services provided by companies like Amazon Web Services (AWS), Google Cloud, and Microsoft Azure.
### 3. **Venture Capital and Investment**
- **Increased Venture Capital Funding:** Despite the economic uncertainty, venture capital investment in Silicon Valley remained strong. Investors poured money into tech startups, particularly those offering solutions related to remote work, healthcare, and e-commerce.
- **IPO and SPAC Boom:** The pandemic accelerated the trend of tech companies going public through traditional IPOs or Special Purpose Acquisition Companies (SPACs). Companies like Airbnb, DoorDash, and Snowflake saw successful public debuts, providing liquidity and returns to investors and employees.
### 4. **Healthcare and Biotech Innovation**
- **Vaccine Development and Distribution:** Silicon Valley biotech firms played a crucial role in the rapid development and distribution of COVID-19 vaccines. Companies like Moderna and Pfizer (in collaboration with BioNTech) benefited from government funding and partnerships.
- **Telemedicine:** The pandemic accelerated the adoption of telemedicine platforms, benefiting companies like Teladoc Health and Amwell, which saw increased usage and investment.
### 5. **Government Contracts and Partnerships**
- **Tech Companies and Government Collaboration:** Silicon Valley tech firms partnered with government agencies to provide technology solutions for pandemic response, including contact tracing apps, data analytics, and communication tools. These partnerships often came with significant funding and contracts.
### 6. **Stock Market Performance**
- **Tech Stock Surge:** The stock prices of many Silicon Valley tech companies surged during the pandemic as investors bet on the long-term growth of the tech sector. This increased the market capitalization of companies like Apple, Google (Alphabet), Facebook (Meta), and Tesla, benefiting shareholders and employees with stock options.
### 7. **Acceleration of Digital Transformation**
- **Businesses Going Digital:** Many traditional businesses accelerated their digital transformation efforts during the pandemic, leading to increased demand for Silicon Valley's tech products and services, including software, cybersecurity, and digital marketing solutions.
### Conclusion
While the COVID-19 pandemic brought significant challenges, it also created opportunities for Silicon Valley to thrive. The influx of government stimulus, increased demand for tech solutions, strong venture capital investment, and successful public market debuts all contributed to the region's economic resilience and growth during this period.
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