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Posted on 6/30/20 at 5:39 pm to Rouge
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Except for one thing.....
Which would be?
They never said no fathers.
Unfortunately there are a high number of single moms in the black community. Most of them are not educated and struggle to make ends meet. They simply addressed this issue.
The statement never says or implies that traditional families or fathers are not welcome or wanted. TheY specifically said parents which can be mom/dad, dad/dad or mom/mom or however the family is structured.
This post was edited on 6/30/20 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 6/30/20 at 5:44 pm to ProfFrink
Are the leaders of Black Lives Matter trained Marxists?
Why don’t you ask them yourself. (Ask the internet.)
Why don’t you ask them yourself. (Ask the internet.)
Posted on 6/30/20 at 5:51 pm to Jimbeaux
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Are the leaders of Black Lives Matter trained Marxists
I’ve known and worked with black activist. Don’t know any that are Marxist.
Having studied Marxist and Soviet history I don’t see much in that statement that is Marxist. Closest would be the community mentioned in that statement. Not much different than a church community how it was written.
I don’t see the collectivism that was common in Marxist theories (and Stalinism)
Some socialist aspects but nothing not being practiced already in this country
To me it was more in line with supporting raising minimum wage which is a much different discussion than what’s in this thread
Instead of raising minimum wage to me it seems a better idea to provide training and education opportunities to those single moms so they can earn a higher wage/salary
This post was edited on 6/30/20 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 6/30/20 at 5:59 pm to ForeverLSU02
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Damn that was a great rant
Well thought out. Well executed. Clear concise message. Actually backed up with facts. Rare to see that in media these days
Posted on 6/30/20 at 5:59 pm to ProfFrink
Well their founder did an interview and basically said she's a Marxist.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 6:03 pm to ProfFrink
One of the leaders flat out said that they are "trained Marxists".
Posted on 6/30/20 at 6:09 pm to bbap
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One of the leaders flat out said that they are "trained Marxists".
I am familiar with Patrisse Cullors. She also says she is a huge fan of Lenin. Never said she was perfect. Plenty I disagree with her about.
The statement I linked to though is not a Marxist statement though. Just because a person agrees with those theories it doesn’t mean everything they wrote will be Marxist.
Also don’t know if she wrote that statement. Opal Tometi Could have wrote it.
This post was edited on 6/30/20 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 6/30/20 at 6:13 pm to ProfFrink
The statement clearly implies the "Western-prescribed nuclear family" is a problem. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 6:17 pm to ProfFrink
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We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement
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Statement isn’t saying to destroy the nuclear family
Posted on 6/30/20 at 6:17 pm to Broski
Wow. That was awesome.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 6:21 pm to ProfFrink
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Statement isn’t saying to destroy the nuclear family but to change a system where single parents struggle to raise kids due to having to work double jobs to provide adequate income
It quite clearly says to replace the nuclear family with the collective. That destroys the western nuclear family.
They also y’all about single mothers having to wrk two jobs. Do you know how you stop a single mother from not working two jobs? Be a traditional nuclear family where both parents work or just one parent works and the other cares for the children.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 6:23 pm to slackster
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The statement clearly implies the "Western-prescribed nuclear family" is a problem. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous.
It describes needing two parents to make ends meet as a problem. It is describing the problem with many single moms being unable to make ends meet on a single job. Working two jobs makes them unable to raise their children.
You have to look at the entire statement, not just half a sentence. It is saying the system is the problem
As for her, and many who claim to follow “Marxism”, I don’t think they actually understand how much worse they would have it under a Marxist system. For starters, under Marxism she could never have started BLM. Stalin would have executed her. Lenin would have probably sent her to Siberia.
And as much as I would like to continue this conversation I do have two children and spending time with them is more important.
While we may not agree if more could just talk like we are doing now the world would be much better
Posted on 6/30/20 at 6:24 pm to ProfFrink
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Having studied Marxist and Soviet history I don’t see much in that statement that is Marxist.
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We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.
This is absolutely communist thought. Maybe not theoretical communism as written by Marx and his contemporaries, but real word, actual communism.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 6:25 pm to ProfFrink
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It describes needing two parents to make ends meet as a problem.
No it doesn’t. It talks about dismantling male led society but then says how hard being a single
Mother is. You can’t have it both ways
Posted on 6/30/20 at 6:32 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Maybe not theoretical communism as written by Marx and his contemporaries, but real word, actual communism.
Agreed. Definitely has shades of socialism.
On that same token it is describing a church community. Community comes together to help those less fortunate.
If she,they, say that they want the government to mandate the community to do this then she is definitely wanting communism.
I would say the major issue on that site is they have a ton of statements but don’t say how they want to achieve it.
If it is coming together to help people like the Cajun Navy does it is a great thing. If she wants government mandated community help that would be a bad thing
This post was edited on 6/30/20 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 6/30/20 at 6:38 pm to Broski
Damn he nailed it
Posted on 6/30/20 at 6:41 pm to Oilfieldbiology
The mission statement starts off with a hook for black people but after about the fifth paragraph it just reads like a communist manifesto.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 6:42 pm to ProfFrink
quote:Well since it's a political movement..
I would say the major issue on that site is they have a ton of statements but don’t say how they want to achieve it.
If it is coming together to help people like the Cajun Navy does it is a great thing. If she wants government mandated community help that would be a bad thing
Posted on 6/30/20 at 6:49 pm to ProfFrink
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And as much as I would like to continue this conversation I do have two children and spending time with them is more important.
Fair enough. Fwiw you've been plenty poignant with your takes. I don't agree with 100% of everything you've said, but a good bit.
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