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re: Man dead after refusing to show police ID
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:42 pm to tdg
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:42 pm to tdg
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So what if he did? Charge the guy with attempted battery of a police officer had he lived. Thankfully, our criminal laws do not permit cops to kill citizens who are lying face down with 5 cops on their back not moving even if the guy on the ground took a swing at the cops earlier. I'm no bleeding heart liberal, but I think that is a good thing.
These cops didn't kill this guy executioner style.
My guess is that he died from a reaction to the pepper spray.
So is this illegal or not? aybe man slaughter, but probably not.
Good grounds for a wrongful death suit.
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:44 pm to Alahunter
quote:None of that justifies assault, much less murder.
Gov't has taken on the role of provider to about half the population and excused actions by making everything, someone elses fault. Lack of personal accountability and the dogma of, you owe me, drives the problems, moreso than police, imo. Now, where I do think there is a CJ problem, is at the Federal level. Too many intrusions on Constitutional freedoms are happening there.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:45 pm to SammyTiger
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damn cops making laws.
You have some serious comprehension issues. Have you even been following this thread???
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:45 pm to NC_Tigah
It seems to in Chicago.. oh wait.. that's the fault of guns.
What it does, is show that lack of accountability, lack of respect, and the rise of acting a heathern, leads to more violent encounters. Police aren't immune to being attacked. They have the right to defend themselves in situations, just as any other citizen.
What it does, is show that lack of accountability, lack of respect, and the rise of acting a heathern, leads to more violent encounters. Police aren't immune to being attacked. They have the right to defend themselves in situations, just as any other citizen.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:46 pm to Alahunter
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It's easy to have low crime stats, when you don't report them.
Ohhh..
So you're saying the rest of the civilized world low prison population is due to under reporting of crime?
Have you even looked at the staggering difference between us and everyone else?
Who do you think has a problem?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:47 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You have some serious comprehension issues. Have you even been following this thread???
i have. and i don't know what law makers being aggressive with our criminal code has to do with it.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:47 pm to Alahunter
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What it does, is show that lack of accountability, lack of respect, and the rise of acting a heathern, leads to more violent encounters
Incarcerating people for non violent crimes makes them more of a criminal when the get out, than before they went in.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:47 pm to NC_Tigah
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None of that justifies assault, much less murder.
please define murder.
And make a case for this being it.
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:48 pm to SammyTiger
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i have. and i don't know what law makers being aggressive with our criminal code has to do with it.
It's been mentioned several times in relation to the militarization of the police force. You just don't comprehend well.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:49 pm to Alahunter
quote:Like the cop in the movie theater.
They have the right to defend themselves in situations, just as any other citizen.
You consider 5 cops crushing a man to unconscious, then further crushing him to death, "defending themselves".
Seems one hell of an odd characterization to me.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:50 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It's been mentioned several times in relation to the militarization of the police force. You just don't comprehend well.
that isn't the criminal code.
Militarizing of police forces has nothing to do with incarceration other than the initial arrest.
There have to be laws that criminalize activity first, and police don't make those.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:50 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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So you're saying the rest of the civilized world low prison population is due to under reporting of crime?
I'm saying, 1.4 million unreported acts of crime, can put a huge damper on comparisons. You think that isn't a significant number? Do you think lifestyles in other countries are contributing factors? Government controls in other countries? More severe penalties?
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Who do you think has a problem?
North Korea, probably has a pretty damn small crime rate, should that be used as a comparison? Or Cuba's, or Venezuela's?
It's just a faulty comparison to try to excuse away the number of people that end up in jail. I think it has more to do, with lack of education, entitlement, poverty and socio-economic conditions. There's a reason crime is higher in the inner cities, than in a place like Slapout, Alabama.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:51 pm to NC_Tigah
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Like the cop in the movie theater.
ex-cop, aka a civilian.
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You consider 5 cops crushing a man to unconscious, then further crushing him to death, "defending themselves".
Seems one hell of an odd characterization to me.
how did the autopsy report go? Oh you didn't do it?
So you have no idea how this guy died, but you are gonna make that up?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:52 pm to NC_Tigah
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Like the cop in the movie theater.
Ex cop, that was arrested and charged with murder down in Fla?
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consider 5 cops crushing a man to unconscious
Is that what happened? has the M.E.'s report been released now?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:52 pm to Alahunter
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They have the right to defend themselves in situations, just as any other citizen.
This is utter, complete and total BS. Please don't insult our intelligence. We're not idiots (although as a cop I'm sure you have been trained to just assume everybody is....).
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:53 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Please don't insult our intelligence. We're not idiots
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although as a cop I'm sure you
Well.. you just proved yourself to be at the very least, ignorant, and one to jump to wrong conclusions.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:54 pm to SammyTiger
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Militarizing of police forces has nothing to do with incarceration other than the initial arrest.
More BS. Why do cops/cop supporters think every one around them is an idiot?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:56 pm to SammyTiger
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There have to be laws that criminalize activity first, and police don't make those.
Are you for real?
This has been stated numerous times. Without explaining it to you yet again, cops do the job according to law and training. The problems, in addition to local hiring practices fall on these two things.
It's a C/J issue from top to bottom
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:56 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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More BS. Why do cops/cop supporters think every one around them is an idiot?
Because you all keep consistently projecting the responsibility of judges and lawmakers on police.
The job of the police is to enforce the law. IF they didn't enforce the law we would fire them and bitch about that. People don't go to jain for things that aren't illegal. that is the lawmakers job. They don't go to jail if there is no proof that what they were doing is illegal, that is the judge and jury's job.
Police just collect evidence and bring in criminals.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:57 pm to onmymedicalgrind
I reckon it's time to exit this thread, as comprehension and objectivity finds itself more and more scarce.
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