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Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:27 pm to Alahunter
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We kinda have a big population, in relation to other countries.
Per capita. LINK
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The United States has less than 5 percent of the world's population. But it has almost a quarter of the world's prisoners.
Indeed, the United States leads the world in producing prisoners, a reflection of a relatively recent and now entirely distinctive American approach to crime and punishment. Americans are locked up for crimes — from writing bad checks to using drugs — that would rarely produce prison sentences in other countries. And in particular they are kept incarcerated far longer than prisoners in other nations.
The facts are out there, we've got a CJ problem, not a problem with the population
I used to be one of the big CJ, law and order guys too. Rah rah. Then, I started listening when people said we have some huge problems.
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The Land of the Free is indeed Number One – in most people incarcerated per capita. While other countries on this list have their share of political prisoners for the most part, the US has done what possibly no other country in the world has done: lock up people for an array of harmless social crimes. Mouth off to a cop? You deserve hard time to think about it. The US prison population has risen 700% in the last forty years, with 1 in 31 adults now under some form of corrections (including parole, probation, etc.) Considering that the US government has over $100 trillion in unfunded liabilities, you’d think the “fiscal conservatives” would want to end the practice of throwing anyone and everyone in jail. But apparently not, as the United States continues to rank – far and away – number one as the world’s top prison state.
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This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:28 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Why do cops have to be treated with respect in order to do their jobs properly? There aren't many other professions that are afforded that type of leeway.
I've had many uncooperative patients who said something inappropriate, I have yet to kill any of them.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:29 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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There aren't many other professions that are afforded that type of leeway.
Betting your food has been spit in on more than one occasion, you've waited in a line longer than you needed to and hung up on a few times in the course of your life.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
It's hard to take a study serious, when comparing to China and other countries that don't report everything, or have laws so strict and penalties so violent, it's sure to force compliance.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:30 pm to Alahunter
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the individual was reported to be combative.
So maybe he didnt say "sir" after addressing the officer.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:32 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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the individual was reported to be combative.
So maybe he didnt say "sir" after addressing the officer.
or maybe he took a swing at an officer, we don't know
Once again we don't know hit about this situation, but it is being held up as example of police abuse.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:32 pm to PsychTiger
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I've had many uncooperative patients who said something inappropriate, I have yet to kill any of them.
Exactly. You suck it up and do your job. I don't get why cops can't do the same.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
It's more than a CJ problem. It's a social problem, that is in large part due to the lack of accountability of individuals. Gov't has taken on the role of provider to about half the population and excused actions by making everything, someone elses fault. Lack of personal accountability and the dogma of, you owe me, drives the problems, moreso than police, imo. Now, where I do think there is a CJ problem, is at the Federal level. Too many intrusions on Constitutional freedoms are happening there.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:34 pm to Alahunter
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Betting your food has been spit in on more than one occasion, you've waited in a line longer than you needed to and hung up on a few times in the course of your life.
Yep, probably so. And I'll take all those over my life ending.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:34 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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So maybe he didnt say "sir" after addressing the officer.
So, maybe nobody knows, and the faux outrage at the cops is premature.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:35 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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I've had many uncooperative patients who said something inappropriate, I have yet to kill any of them.
Exactly. You suck it up and do your job. I don't get why cops can't do the same.
what percentage of your patients try and fight you or are armed?
I think your job is slightly different than a cops. I think most are.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:35 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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And I'll take all those over my life ending.
Because that's what happens, everytime a cop is disrespected.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:36 pm to Alahunter
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It's hard to take a study serious, when comparing to China and other countries that don't report everything, or have laws so strict and penalties so violent, it's sure to force compliance.
Want to compare to other "free nations?"
We've got a problem, chief and it isn't the general population
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:37 pm to Alahunter
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It's a social problem, that is in large part due to the lack of accountability of individuals. Gov't has taken on the role of provider to about half the population and excused actions by making everything, someone elses fault. Lack of personal accountability and the dogma of, you owe me, drives the problems, moreso than police, imo.
It sounds like you are blaming the left for the fact your brethren are hyper-aggressive?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:37 pm to Alahunter
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It's more than a CJ problem. It's a social problem, that is in large part due to the lack of accountability of individuals
No.
It's the fact we love to throw people in prison. Are you saying other nations, even Russia, have more individual accountability??
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Want to compare to other "free nations?"
We've got a problem, chief and it isn't the general population
damn cops making laws.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It's the fact we love to throw people in prison. Are you saying other nations, even Russia, have more individual accountability??
To be fair, the Russians would probably just have shot the man and his family. Kill them all, no one left to sue.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:40 pm to SammyTiger
So what if he did? Charge the guy with attempted battery of a police officer had he lived. Thankfully, our criminal laws do not permit cops to kill citizens who are lying face down with 5 cops on their back not moving even if the guy on the ground took a swing at the cops earlier. I'm no bleeding heart liberal, but I think that is a good thing.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:41 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Have you ever seen how others "log" their crime statistics?
England, for instance...
It's easy to have low crime stats, when you don't report them.
England, for instance...
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An estimated 1.4m crimes are going unrecorded by the police every year partly because officers bend the rules to exaggerate their success, government inspectors have discovered.
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Police officers have been found grossly to misrepresent and massage crime statistics to improve their detection rates while downplaying the number of offences committed.
It's easy to have low crime stats, when you don't report them.
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