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Posted on 3/4/14 at 8:21 pm to EA6B
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Why did they need his ID if they had no idea who was involved in the disturbance? His providing ID would have had no bearing on determining who was involved.
A police officer always wants to see some identification of the person they are confronting for the police officer's own safety.
The police officer knows they could stop someone for a minor criminal offense and it could be a wanted murderer who will kill the police officer to escape because the murderer knows they are going to prison for life or worse if the cops find out who they are.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 8:24 pm to DawgfaninCa
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The police officer knows they could stop someone for a minor criminal offense and it could be a wanted murderer who will kill the police officer to escape because the murderer knows they are going to prison for life or worse if the cops find out who they are.
Seems like it causes more danger to the officers. They didn't ask for ID for their own safety. They do it for the same reason they do it every time, to see if you have warrants they so they can haul you in.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 8:24 pm to rcd0808
A little segment from a movie that you post doesn't mean shite.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 8:25 pm to DawgfaninCa
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A police officer always wants to see some identification of the person they are confronting for the police officer's own safety.
If they don't have reasonable probable cause a crime has been committed or in progress, they can't ask for jack shite from the person they are confronting.
Please continue to talk out of your arse please.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 8:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Seems like it causes more danger to the officers.
How so?
If a police officer confronts a wanted murderer for littering who will kill the police officer in order to escape it may save the police officer's life when they identify the person they stopped.
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They do it for the same reason they do it every time, to see if you have warrants they so they can haul you in.
That's correct and if the person they stop has a warrant for murder then it could save the police officer's life to know that.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 8:35 pm to Sentrius
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If they don't have reasonable probable cause a crime has been committed or in progress, they can't ask for jack shite from the person they are confronting.
I'm talking about when a police officer confronts someone because the officer has reasonable probable cause a crime has been committed or in progress, Jack.
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Please continue to talk out of your arse please.
Said the fool to the wise man.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 8:59 pm to DawgfaninCa
Asking for an ID is strictly about establishing dominance.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 9:07 pm to DawgfaninCa
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That's correct and if the person they stop has a warrant for murder then it could save the police officer's life to know that.
It could cause the officers life to know that.
Looks like they could have prevented some violence by letting the guy blow off steam since he wasn't involved.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 10:56 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It could cause the officers life to know that.
bullshite.
If the police officer doesn't know the person he stopped is a wanted murderer who will kill the police officer in order to escape then when the police officer lets his guard down the wanted murderer will take advantage of that moment and murder the police officer in order to escape.
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Looks like they could have prevented some violence by letting the guy blow off steam since he wasn't involved.
Sunday morning quarterbacks always know what play the losing football team should have played on Saturday that would have resulted in the losing team winning the game.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:01 pm to bencoleman
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Asking for an ID is strictly about establishing dominance.
So you don't think the legal authority figure who arrives at the scene should dominant the situation?
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:03 pm to DawgfaninCa
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So you don't think the legal authority figure who arrives at the scene should dominant the situation?
Of a mother daughter argument? He'll no. Geez how could that be a good thing when the most that's been reported to have happened is a slap to the face?
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:07 pm to DawgfaninCa
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If the police officer doesn't know the person he stopped is a wanted murderer who will kill the police officer in order to escape then when the police officer lets his guard down the wanted murderer will take advantage of that moment and murder the police officer in order to escape.
Or asking for ID when it's not 100% necessary could cause some people to snap once their identity is discovered.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:10 pm to DawgfaninCa
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If the police officer doesn't know the person he stopped is a wanted murderer who will kill the police officer in order to escape then when the police officer lets his guard down the wanted murderer will take advantage of that moment and murder the police officer in order to escape.
So every citizen that is approached by a cop is required to provide papers for officer safety, because any citizen could be a murderer. Got it.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:17 pm to Sentrius
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If they don't have reasonable probable cause a crime has been committed or in progress, they can't ask for jack shite from the person they are confronting.
True. I feel like I am taking crazy pills, but I have mentioned at least twice that police cannot demand an ID card or drivers license from a pedestrian. a pedestrian is only required to give some or all of the following depending on the state: name, DOB, address, destination
While there are some people out there who might be unwilling to give their name, there are many who resent being forced to produce an ID card which is not required by law for traversing the streets of America on foot. It also has the psychological effect that the police are "confiscating" something from you, though you are likely innocent. all that asking for an ID card does is create conflict, which is after all the goal of 90-95% of LEOs.
This post was edited on 3/4/14 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:24 pm to DawgfaninCa
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If the police officer doesn't know the person he stopped is a wanted murderer who will kill the police officer in order to escape then when the police officer lets his guard down the wanted murderer will take advantage of that moment and murder the police officer in order to escape.
Asking for ID is going to negate this situation, your statement is devoid of logic.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:39 pm to DawgfaninCa
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So you don't think the legal authority figure who arrives at the scene should dominant the situation?
Dominate? No. Run, manage, officiate, etc...sure...unless and until it requires someone to dominate it.
But as we all know, that is not what many officers think needs to happen. It's all about rolling into a scene and whipping their dick out to show everyone who's boos...regardless of whether that type of display is warranted. It's one of the MANY things that pisses off law abiding citizens in their encounters with police.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 9:35 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Dominate? No. Run, manage, officiate, etc...sure...unless and until it requires someone to dominate it.
Don't play word games with me.
To dominate simply means, "To control, govern, or rule by superior authority or power".
Don't you want the legal authority figure who arrives at the scene of a violent incident to do that?
I do.
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