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re: Man dead after refusing to show police ID
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:46 am to MrCarton
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:46 am to MrCarton
quote:
Just for comparison
Dude is gonna spend 20 years breaking rocks.
Irrelevant.
What should happen to the authorities (soldier and police officers) in those two separate incidents is based on an entirely different set of circumstances and facts.
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Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:57 am to novabill
quote:
Because you keep acting like your dick is bigger than the male cops' dicks.
quote:
First male authority figures, now this? Hhmmmm.
It's part of your psychological problem with male authority figures.
quote:
I can not find the danger the dead man presented.
The man wasn't dead when the police used overwhelming physical force in their attempt to subdue him and making sure he couldn't injure any of the police officers in the process.
Do you see the danger police face when they have to physically subdue someone who isn't cooperating with them and is walking away?
quote:
The dead man did not present a risk to anyone, yet he is dead.
How do you know he didn't present a risk to anyone when he was alive?
quote:
Cops are commonly attacking and harming people and their pets, yet you refuse to call them out for their actions.
Get real.
Cops commonly have to restrain and subdue people and animals who pose a potential threat to them and sometimes the people and animals are seriously injured or even killed in the process.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 12:02 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:Not based on what you've produced.
I also know the man would still be alive if he had just fully cooperated with the police.
Don't you agree?
What did the deceased say in the "Verbatim Transcript" to intimate he did not meet his legal obligations to cooperate?
What did the deceased specifically say in the "Verbatim Transcript" at the outset of the encounter?
What does the theater video show to establish the deceased did not meet his legal obligations to cooperate?
quote:Actually, it is like making the call on a swing-and-a-miss.
That's like being so stupid you let the other side in a baseball game decide whether the home run you just hit was a fair or foul ball.
It's an easy call.
Anyone can make it.
quote:No.
Am I supposed to take your word as truth regarding how many good points I made?
You are supposed to support your points based on something other than speculation.
You've not done that.
You keep alluding to irrelevant portions of the encounter based on the recording. The recording contains nothing with regard to rationale for the police attack on this man, method of police attack on this man, length of the assault, the exact point or reason "medical" was called, etc.
Nor does it offer any comments the man made prior to getting killed other than "I can't breath".
Here's is some of the record.
quote:So, "based on the Verbatim Transcript" as you would say, Luis Rodriguez was killed right there. It's all in the verbatim transcript.
[Nair Rodriguez:]
Oh my — Papa, is he okay? He doesn’t move.
[Moore Police:]
They – they got him – they are taking care of him.
[Nair Rodriguez:]
He doesn’t move, you killed him.
[Daughter (off camera):]
NO!
[Nair Rodriguez:]
You killed him.
[Moore Police:]
He is getting medical attention right now, I just need you to stay over here.
[Nair Rodriguez:]
You killing my husband.
[Moore Police:] Source: LYBIO.net
They are going to take care of him their medical okay.
[Nair Rodriguez:]
I need to – Please somebody tell me that he is alive.
[Moore Police:]
He’s alive, ma’am.
[Nair Rodriguez:]
He’s alive?
[Moore Police:]
Yes, ma’am.
[Moore Police:]
Here. Stay over here
[Nair Rodriguez:]
I need to know that he is alive.
[Moore Police:]
They are going to take care of him, he is alive. Well hey listen take a deep breath I need you to look at me okay. Take a deep breath, stand up.
[Nair Rodriguez:]
Let go. Let go.
[Moore Police:]
Listen he is okay, medical is going to take care of him okay, that’s why they are here to check on him.
[Nair Rodriguez:]
Oh my…
[Moore Police:]
Okay, get your ID.
[Nair Rodriguez:]
For sure he is alive?
[Moore Police:] Source: LYBIO.net
He said he is breathing, Get your ID focus on me, take some deep breath, medical is here, they are going to take care of him all right.
[Nair Rodriguez:]
Can – can you – can you please.
43 – 28 Over
[Moore Police:]
Here. I’ll hold your phone, you want me to try to get that for you, yeah.
… domestic.
[Nair Rodriguez:]
Is he okay, is he alive?
[Nair Rodriguez:]
Please somebody tell me he is alive.
[Moore Police:]
He’s just – he’s good.
[Nair Rodriguez:]
Thank you.
[Moore Police:]
We are okay, thank you though. You want me to try to get that for you.
[Nair Rodriguez:]
Please.
[Moore Police:] Source: LYBIO.net
I’ll let you hold your phone, I understand you’re shaking, what I want you to do is …
See how that works?
This post was edited on 3/4/14 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 3/4/14 at 12:47 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:
DawgfaninCa
Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:17 pm to NC_Tigah
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Like George Zimmerman did?
DawgfaninCa, just a bit of advice for an apparently extremely naive fellow. If you are ever in the position of being directed to """fully cooperate""" with the police "even if you are innocent," and are being abused, EXERCISE YOUR RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT AND GET A LAWYER.
I'm well aware of my right to remain silent when I am being questioned because the police suspect me of committing a crime or when I am being questioned after I'm arrested for a crime whether or not I'm innocent.
BTW, do you know that the police don't have to read you your miranda rights until after they place you under arrest?
quote:
Regarding the right to remain silent:
Frankly, as you'll eventually realize, you should have exercised your right to remain silent prior to posting in this thread.
That's like the opposing side in a baseball game telling me that I shouldn't have swung at that pitch after I hit it for a home run to win the game.
This post was edited on 3/4/14 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:39 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
quote:
[Nair Rodriguez:]
Oh my — Papa, is he okay? He doesn’t move.
[Moore Police:]
They – they got him – they are taking care of him.
[Nair Rodriguez:]
He doesn’t move, you killed him.
[Daughter (off camera):]
NO!
[Nair Rodriguez:]
You killed him.
[Moore Police:]
He is getting medical attention right now, I just need you to stay over here.
[Nair Rodriguez:]
You killing my husband.
[Moore Police:] Source: LYBIO.net
They are going to take care of him their medical okay.
[Nair Rodriguez:]
I need to – Please somebody tell me that he is alive.
[Moore Police:]
He’s alive, ma’am.
[Nair Rodriguez:]
He’s alive?
[Moore Police:]
Yes, ma’am.
[Moore Police:]
Here. Stay over here
[Nair Rodriguez:]
I need to know that he is alive.
[Moore Police:]
They are going to take care of him, he is alive. Well hey listen take a deep breath I need you to look at me okay. Take a deep breath, stand up.
[Nair Rodriguez:]
Let go. Let go.
[Moore Police:]
Listen he is okay, medical is going to take care of him okay, that’s why they are here to check on him.
[Nair Rodriguez:]
Oh my…
[Moore Police:]
Okay, get your ID.
[Nair Rodriguez:]
For sure he is alive?
[Moore Police:] Source: LYBIO.net
He said he is breathing, Get your ID focus on me, take some deep breath, medical is here, they are going to take care of him all right.
[Nair Rodriguez:]
Can – can you – can you please.
43 – 28 Over
[Moore Police:]
Here. I’ll hold your phone, you want me to try to get that for you, yeah.
… domestic.
[Nair Rodriguez:]
Is he okay, is he alive?
[Nair Rodriguez:]
Please somebody tell me he is alive.
[Moore Police:]
He’s just – he’s good.
[Nair Rodriguez:]
Thank you.
[Moore Police:]
We are okay, thank you though. You want me to try to get that for you.
[Nair Rodriguez:]
Please.
[Moore Police:] Source: LYBIO.net
I’ll let you hold your phone, I understand you’re shaking, what I want you to do is …
So, "based on the Verbatim Transcript" as you would say, Luis Rodriguez was killed right there. It's all in the verbatim transcript.
See how that works?
Yeah, I see how it works.
You deliberately leave out the portion of the verbatim transcript that you posted on 3/3/14 at 6:42 pm which was the portion of the verbatim transcript I was referring to in my post.
Here's the portion of the verbatim transcript that you deliberately left out.
quote:
"Officer: We have medical on the way, ma’am.
Nair: This person, this, our youngest daughter, has been treating us like crap.
Officer: OK, ma’am, can you do me a favor real quick?
Nair: Yes.
Officer: OK, let me get this under control. What I need you to do is I need an ID from you, and I need an ID from you, OK? I understand that there’s a domestic here, someone hit someone.
Nair: Yes. I hit my daughter.
Officer: You hit your daughter.
Nair: Yes.
Officer: OK, a crime was committed. It’s domestic abuse. We came out here to investigate it. He refused to give his ID. Tried to give it to ... he got combative. That’s why, why he got put in this position, OK?
Nair: But why is he bleeding?
Officer: I’m bleeding. All right, that’s me. But I’ve got medical here and they’re going to come check him out. Make sure he’s OK. But right now, I need your ID.
Nair: Yes."
Why did you feel you had to leave out that portion of the verbatim transcript?
Was it because it proves that my speculations were correct?
I'll answer the question.
Yes.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:44 pm to novabill
quote:
Does not sound that way to me. Sounds like a well reasoned, objective and thought out description of too many cops.
I do not expect you to know that you have a psychological problem.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:52 pm to novabill
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For some reason you wish to defend the killers because the deceased did not act with the proper deference.
Are you claiming the police would have still killed him even if he did fully cooperate with them?
quote:
You act as though we are the slaves and the badges are the slave masters and that anyone that should dare disrespect them deserve whatever may befall them.
No I don't.
I am just saying even when you are innocent it is wise to fully cooperate with the police. Even when you are innocent, to do otherwise could result in you being seriously injured or even killed.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:58 pm to TX Tiger
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Oh, O.K. I'm sure he feels better about being killed rather than murdered.
That has nothing to do with the point I was making which was when one of you Einsteins (TX Tiger) said the police murdered him, I pointed out that murder is the deliberate killing of someone which obviously the police officers didn't do in this incident. The man was accidently killed by the police as a result of the police physically restraining him so they didn't murder him.
This post was edited on 3/4/14 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 3/4/14 at 2:05 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
I'm just thankful that NOBODY in this thread agrees with you.
The sad part is, the law probably does agree with you. And yet in early July, Americans will obliviously wave their little flags and eat their hot dogs, watch fireworks and sing hymns of freedom and liberty.
Disgusting.
What's disgusting is that you said the police murdered him when it is obvious that he was accidently killed as a result of the police subduing him.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 2:09 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
I'd be an a-hole over a Fascist every time.
The problem is you are an a-hole AND a fascist.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 2:09 pm to Alahunter
quote:
They did what they were trained to do. Guy likely asphyxiated from the pepper spray. They immediately called for medical personnel once they realized he needed medical attention. A cops job isn't to risk being abused or worse. Their job is to take control of a situation to prevent it from escalating. As I said, don't act a heathern, don't get treated like one.
eta- It's an unfortunate tragedy that was brought on by the actions of the wife. There are consequences to actions. Yelling and screaming doesn't change that.
god damn you are an idiot
Posted on 3/4/14 at 2:12 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:
You deliberately leave out the portion of the verbatim transcript that you posted on 3/3/14 at 6:42 pm which was the portion of the verbatim transcript I was referring to in my post.
Here's the portion of the verbatim transcript that you deliberately left out.
Why do you think this somehow supports your position that the police acted properly? It clearly indicates the police quickly knew who was the subject of the domestic abuse call. The woman said it was her, that she had hit her daughter and why. Why didn't the police call off the others once he knew the man was not involved.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 2:12 pm to Dr RC
my god that horrible to listen to.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 2:13 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:
That is the silver lining here. Dawgfan and his "oh so mature" ilk will eventually die off and maybe meaningful police reform could finally begin.
Don't get your high hopes up.
There's nothing that guarantees you will outlive me.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 2:21 pm to EA6B
quote:
Why do you think this somehow supports your position that the police acted properly? It clearly indicates the police quickly knew who was the subject of the domestic abuse call. The woman said it was her, that she had hit her daughter and why. Why didn't the police call off the others once he knew the man was not involved.
It proves that the police didn't know who the abuser was when they first arrived at the scene which some of you Einsteins said they knew before they arrived and it shows that the police had attempted to question the father and the incident was already occurring which eventually resulted in his death before the mother told one of the police officers who was not involved at that moment trying to subdue the father that she was the person who hit her daughter.
The police officers who were in the process of subduing the father had no idea that it was the mother who was the domestic abuser until after they physically subdued the father.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 2:23 pm to Dr RC
quote:
god damn you are an idiot
Said the fool to the wise man.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 2:25 pm to DawgfaninCa
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The police officers who were in the process of subduing the father had no idea that it was the mother who was the domestic abuser until after they physically subdued the father.
Even if this were true, you don't see a problem with that?
The father told them who the aggressor was.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 2:26 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:
Said the fool to the wise man.
the so called "wise men" have their heads directly implanted inside their rectums right now.
any fool can see that.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 2:28 pm to Scruffy
quote:
Are you going to keep making up absurdities in order to try to make it appear that the police weren't justified in handling the incident the way they did?
quote:
The police were justified in opening fire on a random car because they thought it looked like Dorner's?
FAIL!!!
I made that statement in response to the absurd example made by McCarton which was:
quote:
They didn't have their drivers licenses displyed prominently in the rear window as they were getting shot.
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