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re: Man dead after refusing to show police ID
Posted on 3/4/14 at 12:51 am to DawgfaninCa
Posted on 3/4/14 at 12:51 am to DawgfaninCa
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It sounds to me like you have a serious psychological problem with male authority figures.
I suggest that you see a doctor about it.
Proved my point about college dropouts.
You're "authority figures"...
Because you have a gun and had some minimal training.
The "authority figure" mentality among police is the problem w/o earning it through respect.
Your job isn't to be an "authority figure" - that's called the gestapo.
Your job is nuanced - not thuggery. Having perspective, experience, wisdom.
Freud would have a field day with you.
Did you not get enough of mama's tit milk?
This post was edited on 3/4/14 at 12:54 am
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Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:58 am to Zamoro10
He likes male authority figures who sit on his chest and collapse his lungs, after pepper spraying his mouth and nose from 4 inches.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 2:17 am to matthew25
quote:.... or simply compressing the guy's carotids until he "chokes-out," then continuing the compression.
collapse his lungs, after pepper spraying his mouth and nose from 4 inches.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 2:27 am to NC_Tigah
I'll have to look up "carotids" now.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 2:29 am to matthew25
So the officer compressing the head is cutting off oxygen to the head. Will that affect breathing oxygen into the lungs?
Posted on 3/4/14 at 3:04 am to matthew25
quote:In some circumstances, yes.
Will that affect breathing oxygen into the lungs?
For example, if someone has significant sleep apnea, breathing would likely be affected. On top of existing cerebral hypoxia (from the choke-out), obstructive apnea (inability to breath because the tongue, etc are blocking the airway) could quickly cause permanent anoxic brain damage and even death.
More so, if parties involved are accidentally or deliberately unaware of the seriousness of the situation.
quote:Having "medical on the way" pretty much indicates they knew the deceased was not "fine."
Nair: Luis, are you OK? Luis? Luis, are you OK?
Officer: He’s fine.
Nair: Why you came to all this? Please, tell me. This, this, this...
Officer: We have medical on the way, ma’am
This post was edited on 3/4/14 at 3:15 am
Posted on 3/4/14 at 10:15 am to NC_Tigah
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In their quest to execute Christopher Dorner, eight Los Angeles police officers unloaded a hail of more than 100 bullets on two unsuspecting women delivering newspapers last year. The cops wounded both women, luckily they killed neither. The victims were the wrong sex, the wrong size, the wrong race, there were two of them, not one. Their truck was the wrong make, the wrong model, the wrong color, and the wrong tag number.
Do you know what happened to those bad cops?
Hint: The LAPD wants them among its ranks.
You lost the debate about the specific incident that was the subject of the OP so you have to resort to another incident where some cops did screw up. Then you use the LAPD who are notorious for supporting their own even when they screw up royally as the example that all good cops want bad cops in their ranks.
I have already said there are bad cops and they should be removed when they overstep their authority and abuse the rights of the people.
However, that is not the case in the specific incident that was the subject of this thread.
Are you so desperate that you have to resort to bait and switch?
This post was edited on 3/4/14 at 10:16 am
Posted on 3/4/14 at 10:37 am to Zamoro10
quote:
It sounds to me like you have a serious psychological problem with male authority figures.
I suggest that you see a doctor about it.
quote:
Proved my point about college dropouts.
You must be talking about yourself because I graduated from UGA in 1968 with a Bachelor of Science degree in Mathematics.
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You're "authority figures"...
I may be misunderstanding what you are trying to say but I think you meant to say, "Your 'authority figures'..." not "You're 'authority figures'...".
If so then you must have flunked English 101.
quote:
Because you have a gun and had some minimal training.
The "authority figure" mentality among police is the problem w/o earning it through respect.
Your job isn't to be an "authority figure" - that's called the gestapo.
Your job is nuanced - not thuggery. Having perspective, experience, wisdom.
Freud would have a field day with you.
I guess you're (the correct use) going to continue to play your (the correct use) little game that I am a cop.
As an ordinary male citizen, I respect the police as the "authority figure" because, unlike you, I don't have to be the top cock in my world.
quote:
Did you not get enough of mama's tit milk?
Am I supposed to get upset by your dumb juvenile insult and fling one back at you?
Posted on 3/4/14 at 10:45 am to matthew25
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He likes male authority figures who sit on his chest and collapse his lungs, after pepper spraying his mouth and nose from 4 inches.
What did he expect the police to do when he refused to show his ID and walked away?
Walk behind him saying, "Please stop walking away and please, pretty please, show us your ID."
Get real, dude.
The police don't have time to play games with people. They have more important things to deal with besides wasting their time trying to convince someone to cooperate with them.
They are going to use physical force to stop him from walking away and overpowering physical force to make sure none of the cops get injured in the process.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 10:51 am to novabill
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No, the ones that arrest cops that break the law are not among those that want bad cops in their ranks.
Other than that, I have to say that at the very least they are unwilling to remove the bad ones from their ranks. Makes sense?
What evidence do you have that, at the very least, they are unwilling to remove the bad ones from their ranks?
Posted on 3/4/14 at 10:52 am to DawgfaninCa
Let this thread die troll.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 10:58 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Who cares if a few innocents become casualties, right? Like these two, taking one or more for the team.
That incident has nothing to do with the incident which is the subject of this thread.
Do you want me to post links to the thousands of times the police apprehended a wanted violent criminal when they were stopped for a minor traffic infraction or as a suspect for a minor crime that they didn't commit?
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:03 am to rcd0808
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Let this thread die troll.
Why?
Do you think you can trash talk and insult me then tell me I can't respond in order to defend myself and I'm going to be so afraid of you that I won't respond?
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:08 am to novabill
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Yeah, you keep making great points. However, they all seem to revolve around male authority figures. Again, hmmmmm ?
No, my good points don't all revolve around having a problem with male authority figures.
I made several good points why the police had no choice but to use overwhelming physical force in this situation that had nothing to do with having a problem with male authority figures.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:16 am to DawgfaninCa
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You lost the debate about the specific incident that was the subject of the OP
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So do you think every cop wants bad cops among their ranks?
quote:Just slicing your positions up point by point by point at this stage.
Do you know what happened to those bad cops?
Hint: The LAPD wants them among its ranks.
If you want to issue idiotic generalizations such as an implied police intolerance of "bad cops in their ranks," I'm going to point out one of many many instances where that is totally false.
If you make idiotic assertions about a "verbatim transcript," I am going to point out that transcript contains not one single solitary utterance from the deceased.
If you make uninformed assertions about "appropriate" police behavior, I am going to point out that you have not a scintilla of evidence supporting that assertion. You don't have proof of inappropriate conduct of the deceased. You don't have record of the initial conversation or reactions. You don't know if the victim had ID.
If you pose unfounded observations about "evidence," I am going to point out that you have not one single solitary utterance from the deceased standing as testament to what occurred -- not a groan, not a grunt, not a thing. The theater video has not been released, though the police undoubtedly know of its contents. Preliminary autopsy findings have not been released, though the police undoubtedly know of its findings.
and if you troll out self-sentiment holding you're some kind of debate wizard based on this thread, folks are going to laugh at you.
This post was edited on 3/4/14 at 11:17 am
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:22 am to EA6B
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The incidence of police stopping a crime in progress is extremely rare, as they say when seconds count the police are only minutes away, most criminals know this which negates any police deterrent. Areas that experience reduction in crime are usually due to actions by citizen groups such as neighborhood watch programs, the best you can hope for from the police is that they may eventually arrest the perpetrator of a crime.
NSS!
However, one of you Einsteins posted that the police never protect innocent people and I pointed out that even if they can't get to the scene of a violent crime in time to stop the violent crime before it happens or while it is happening, they can stop future violent crimes before they happen when they apprehend wanted violent criminals and identify them after the wanted violent criminal commits a minor nonviolent crime or even because the wanted violent criminal is apprehended and identified because they are suspected of committing a minor nonviolent crime that they didn't commit.
This post was edited on 3/4/14 at 11:26 am
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:24 am to DawgfaninCa
quote:No.
I made several good points why the police had no choice
You've actually made very few "points" in that regard at all.
You have speculated at every turn.
That's it. That's all.
You neither know what caused the initial encounter, what was said, whether or not the deceased was fluent in English, whether he had an ID, whether the popo did anything inappropriate to him of someone else, etc.
You do not know!
It's apparent you think you know, but you don't.
Nor does anyone else here.
This post was edited on 3/4/14 at 11:27 am
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:37 am to NC_Tigah
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No.
You've actually made very few "points" in that regard at all.
Am I supposed to take your word as truth regarding how many good points I made?
That's like being so stupid you let the other side in a baseball game decide whether the home run you just hit was a fair or foul ball.
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You have speculated at every turn.
And my speculations were proven correct based on the verbatim transcript.
quote:
You neither know what caused the initial encounter, what was said, whether of not the deceased was fluent in English, whether he had an ID, whether the popo did anything inappropriate to him of someone else, etc. You do not know!
It's apparent you think you know, but you don't. Nor does anyone else here.
Based on the verbatim transcript, we do know that the police did not know who committed the violent domestic abuse when they arrived at the scene and they were in the process of questioning all of the parties involved in order to determine what happened and who the abuser was.
I also know the man would still be alive if he had just fully cooperated with the police.
Don't you agree?
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:41 am to MrCarton
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They didn't have their drivers licenses displyed prominently in the rear window as they were getting shot.
Are you going to keep making up absurdities in order to try to make it appear that the police weren't justified in handling the incident the way they did?
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:42 am to DawgfaninCa
quote:The police were justified in opening fire on a random car because they thought it looked like Dorner's?
Are you going to keep making up absurdities in order to try to make it appear that the police weren't justified in handling the incident the way they did?
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