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re: Man dead after refusing to show police ID

Posted on 2/28/14 at 9:47 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135660 posts
Posted on 2/28/14 at 9:47 pm to
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Just watched it again and think even more now that all 5 of those fricking pigs should spend time in jail.
At the least we can all agree that an unconscious (aka dying) man does not require """subduing""".
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 3/1/14 at 8:06 am to
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Sorry, you're wrong again.



No.

So you're saying Republicans love the weed and Democrats never smoke?



You're a tool.

Weed quadrupled from $30/oz to $120/oz in a matter months after Nancy re-declared the WoD. And like I said, the Democrats were forced into a corner, if they fought against the WoD they were labelled as soft on crime. It doesn't really matter what was happening n the 90's, my point is theat the Republicans started the WoD with Nixon, and then re-started it with Reagan. The party of small government was the one more interested in perpetuating the war and eroding our 4th Amend rights through big government. It was primarily this hypocrisy that turned me away from the Republican party in the 80s.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 3/1/14 at 8:14 pm to
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When I was 26 I agreed 100% with that post but as I experienced life I changed my mind.


quote:

Just the opposite. As a young guy, I trusted the government. As I've gotten older, I've learned why no one should.


We are talking about the police not the government.
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 3/1/14 at 11:33 pm to
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We are talking about the police not the government.



Who get their marching orders from the Govt.
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 3/1/14 at 11:33 pm to
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We are talking about the police not the government.



Who get their marching orders from the Govt.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297073 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 12:13 am to
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We are talking about the police not the government.


Law enforcement officers are the strong arm of the government.
This post was edited on 3/2/14 at 12:14 am
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 2:25 pm to
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We are talking about the police not the government.


quote:

Who get their marching orders from the Govt.


Even if that was the case, The police are still NOT the government which is composed of three branches (Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches).

We are talking about the police in particular not the government and whether the police can be or should be trusted to act within the legal authority they are granted by society (government) which is to enforce the laws of this country.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 2:29 pm to
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Even if that was the case, The police are still NOT the government which is composed of three branches (Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches).

We are talking about the police in particular not the government and whether the police can be or should be trusted to act within the legal authority they are granted by society (government) which is to enforce the laws of this country.



You really are this dense aren't you? I am not sure what distinction your feeble mind is trying to draw here, but your so wrong it literally hurts MY fricking brain.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297073 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 2:29 pm to
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The police are still NOT the government which is composed of three branches (Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches).


I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Police forces are empowered by the government officials to be the enforcement arm of the laws they pass. They are a part of the government whether state, local or national.
This post was edited on 3/2/14 at 2:31 pm
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
11463 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 2:39 pm to
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You really are this dense aren't you? I am not sure what distinction your feeble mind is trying to draw here, but your so wrong it literally hurts MY fricking brain.

He's just doing mental gymnastics so that he can rationalize being pro- "big" police yet pro- "small" govt. It's really sad and he's obviously fooling no one. I thought when dawgfan stopped ending all his posts with they would be less annoying. Little did I know......
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297073 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 2:40 pm to
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He's just doing mental gymnastics so that he can rationalize being pro- "big" police yet pro- "small" govt.


Exactly what he's doing. You can't be small govt and support a huge, aggressive police force.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 2:43 pm to
Y'all nailed it. The guy literally sucks me into the trap EVERY TIME. Haha. Gotta hand it to him. He is good.
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
11463 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 4:19 pm to
Yeah, he's either a master troll or a master dumbass. Either way, his posts are captivating, I can't lie.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 12:12 pm to
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You really are this dense aren't you? I am not sure what distinction your feeble mind is trying to draw here, but your so wrong it literally hurts MY fricking brain.


Which brach of "the government" are the police a part of?

The Executive?

No.

The Legislative?

No.

The Judicial?

No.

The police are employed by "the government" to be the enforcers of our laws but they are not "the government".

Kapeesh?

Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 12:14 pm to
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Yeah, he's either a master troll or a master dumbass.


You forgot the third choice.

I'm a master debater.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135660 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 12:24 pm to
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Which brach of "the government" are the police a part of?

The Executive?

No.

The Legislative?

No.

The Judicial?

No.

The police are employed by "the government" to be the enforcers of our laws but they are not "the government".

Kapeesh?
Police fall under the executive branch of either the federal or state government. Federal police are under the control of the president, state police are under the control of the governor, city police are under the control of the mayor. Executive branch enforces the laws.

Kapeesh?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297073 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 12:26 pm to

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The police are employed by "the government" to be the enforcers of our laws but they are not "the government".

\
They are part of the government.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135660 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 1:02 pm to
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I'm a master debater
baiting, are you?
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:17 pm to
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baiting, are you?


Winning the debate am I.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:24 pm to
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Police fall under the executive branch of either the federal or state government. Federal police are under the control of the president, state police are under the control of the governor, city police are under the control of the mayor. Executive branch enforces the laws.

Kapeesh?



The police may be under the control of one of three branches of "the government" but they are not elected by the people or appointed by someone who is elected by the people. They are no more "the government" than a clerk who is hired to file papers for "the government".

Now who do you want to enforce the laws if you don't trust the police to do it correctly?
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