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re: Man dead after refusing to show police ID
Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:54 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:54 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I imagine several highly emotional people were doing what emotional people do in family drama. The police should have the training necessary to deal with emotional family drama without it resulting in the death of an innocent man.
Stop making excuses for the deceased behavior. If he had fully cooperated with the police he would still be alive.
As a matter of fact, it is a citizens duty to cooperate with the police even when the police are mistaken about what happened that caused them to come to the scene and investigate.
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Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:58 am to MrCarton
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If anything, the possibility that someone could be armed should be a cue to police officers to use the least amount of force possible to do their jobs
You have your head screwed on backwards.
The possibility that someone could be armed should be a cue to police officers that they may have to use deadly force to do their jobs.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:01 am to DawgfaninCa
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Stop making excuses for the deceased behavior. If he had fully cooperated with the police he would still be alive.
As a matter of fact, it is a citizens duty to cooperate with the police even when the police are mistaken about what happened that caused them to come to the scene and investigate.
What do you mean by "cooperate?" If I am questioned or interrogated, I am not saying anything w/out legal counsel.
This post was edited on 2/28/14 at 11:03 am
Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:09 am to DawgfaninCa
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As a matter of fact, it is a citizens duty to cooperate with the police even when the police are mistaken about what happened that caused them to come to the scene and investigate.
"You have the right to remain silent" is not just a line from a Law and Order episode!
Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:11 am to DawgfaninCa
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Stop making excuses for the deceased behavior. If he had fully cooperated with the police he would still be alive.
Wow. So refusing to show ID is grounds for death. Got it.
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As a matter of fact, it is a citizens duty to cooperate with the police even when the police are mistaken about what happened that caused them to come to the scene and investigate.
And what about the duties of the police? Protect and serve?
You are placing 100% of the onus on the private citizen and alleviating all responsibility from the officers.
I'm sorry, but after having grown up in New Orleans, where just looking at an officer is considered suspicious behavior, and then refusing to answer questions based on this suspicion is obstruction, and then saying so much as, "But..." when they tell you to go with them, is resisting arrest, I tend to not give the police the benefit of the doubt.
I've been in Orleans Parish Prison, and I'm here to tell you, it is a carnival of sadism. When I was brought in for booking, I paused at the door for a moment and asked the cop, "Am I going to get raped in there"? His response was, "First offense? [Me: "Yes"], naw, you'll probably be out by tomorrow afternoon. The implication was incredible - if I was going to have to spend one night in General Population, I was going to get raped. Just because of a misdemeanor. I swear, at that moment the cop showed some slight bit of remorse as he pondered my question and the ramifications of his bringing me in there.
But Jesus, to say, "Well, if hadn't have...he would be alive today." in this case is just too cold-blooded.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:14 am to Sevendust912
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What do you mean by "cooperate?" If I am questioned or interrogated, I am not saying anything w/out legal counsel.
By "fully cooperate" I mean do everything the police have the legal authority to ask you to do. If you choose not to answer any questions without legal counsel being present then you have the legal right to do that. However, if the police ask you for your ID and you refuse to give it to them then they have the legal authority to detain you until your identity is determined.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:18 am to DawgfaninCa
quote:Fully cooperated?
If he had fully cooperated with the police he would still be alive.
What does that even mean?
Let's confine this to his responsibilities within the law, shall we?
Do you have evidence other than the cops' statement that Luis Rodriguez intended to not cooperate within limits of the law?
Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:20 am to DawgfaninCa
quote:Then you have no evidence of Luis Rodriguez lack of cooperation. Correct?
By "fully cooperate" I mean do everything the police have the legal authority to ask you to do.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:23 am to DawgfaninCa
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The possibility that someone could be armed should be a cue to police officers that they may have to use deadly force to do their jobs.
You are a moron.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:26 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Wow. So refusing to show ID is grounds for death. Got it.
Keep trying to twist it to make it sound like the police murdered him because he refused to show his ID.
The police have the legal authority to detain you until your identity is determined so if you refuse to show your ID then they have the legal authority to physically detain you by using physical force.
If you are seriously injured as a result then it's your fault for refusing to show your ID. It's not the police officers' fault for doing their job.
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But Jesus, to say, "Well, if hadn't have...he would be alive today." in this case is just too cold-blooded.
bullshite.
I said in my first post that it was a tragedy the man died.
I'm just telling you the cold-blooded facts of life.
Get used to them, Bozo.
This post was edited on 2/28/14 at 11:27 am
Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:27 am to DawgfaninCa
You apparently think they have the legal authority to kill you as well. I guess some people just don't get it but thankfully you are in the minority.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:27 am to MrCarton
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You are a moron.
Said the fool to the wise man.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:28 am to DawgfaninCa
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The police have the legal authority to detain you until your identity is determined
Which is so awful for a nation that calls itself free.
I don't trust government, I guess many people do.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:31 am to tdg
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You apparently think they have the legal authority to kill you as well. I guess some people just don't get it but thankfully you are in the minority.
The police DO have the legal authority to use deadly force when necessary.
In this case, do you really think the police meant to kill this man and knew that the physical force they were using to detain him would kill him?
Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:32 am to DawgfaninCa
They didn't mean to, but they still need to be held accountable and be punished for their negligence.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:33 am to DawgfaninCa
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if the police ask you for your ID and you refuse to give it to them then they have the legal authority to detain you until your identity is determined.
They have no such authority in Oklahoma which has no "stop and ID" statute, detaining him would require that the standards of the "Terry Stop" be applied, and this situation is not remotely close to meeting that.
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This post was edited on 2/28/14 at 11:43 am
Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:35 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Which is so awful for a nation that calls itself free.
You're nuts.
The police have the right to know who they are dealing with.
What if the person being stopped is a known murderer with a warrant out for their arrest who will use deadly force to keep the police from capturing them?
Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:35 am to DawgfaninCa
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In this case, do you really think the police meant to kill this man and knew that the physical force they were using to detain him would kill him?
What does this matter? If I kill someone unintentionally, I'm going to jail for a long time. Why is it different for cops?
Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:36 am to DawgfaninCa
I don't think they meant to kill him. They just wanted to beat him up and accidently killed him in the process. They should be charged with negligent homicide rather than first or second degree murder.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:36 am to DawgfaninCa
quote:You are insinuating they could not recognize they were subduing a limp, lifeless, motionless, unconscious person?
In this case, do you really think the police meant to kill this man and knew that the physical force they were using to detain him would kill him?
If the cops involved could not recognize they were subduing a limp, lifeless, motionless, unconscious person, they should be removed from their positions. They are incompetent and dangerous.
If they did recognize they were subduing a limp, lifeless, motionless, unconscious person, they knew the physical force they were using to detain him could kill.
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