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re: Man dead after refusing to show police ID
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:22 am to lsupride87
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:22 am to lsupride87
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Well, i disagree. 5 armed men contributed to the death of an unarmed man. That seems like manslaughter or at least gross negligence to me. And before you ask, i don't care if the man was being combative or aggressive.
So you are the one who determines if the 5 cops committed a crime.
I guess you believe in mob rule.
If someone is combative or aggressive then the police have the legal authority to use whatever physical force is necessary to control the person.
If there is a question whether they used more physical force than necessary, it's up the the courts to determine that based on all of the evidence not you.
This post was edited on 2/27/14 at 11:23 am
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Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:23 am to bencoleman
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Thank you, There was also an article about the chief of police for Salt Lake City that was encouraging
One of his assistants became chief here, same mindset.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:24 am to DawgfaninCa
quote:Yes it is up to the courts. In my opinion, and the opinion of the majority, when the force used by 5 men to subdue 1 man results in death, i would say that is excessive. And if it isnt God help us all
If there is a question whether they used more physical force than necessary, it's up the the courts to determine that based on all of the evidence not you.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:27 am to lsupride87
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This is absolute BS and the worst mindset i have ever heard in my entire life. So we should just bend over and take it while big brother does what he wants? It is sickening. Obviously i have common sense so i would never run, but it is disgraceful that you are ok with it
frick you and your "common sense".
It's not okay with me if a cop arrests me when I'm innocent but if it happens then I have to go through the courts whether I like it or not.
It's life. Grow up.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:27 am to lsupride87
What if his death is ruled to be caused by something other than 5 officers subduing him?
i.e,.. stroke, heart attack, anaphylactic reaction to pepper spray (used properly), aneurism... and his death would have occurred, whether one officer subdued, or all 5?
i.e,.. stroke, heart attack, anaphylactic reaction to pepper spray (used properly), aneurism... and his death would have occurred, whether one officer subdued, or all 5?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:28 am to DawgfaninCa
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Do you really believe you can run away from cops when they are requesting an ID
you dont have to give cops ID because they ask when on a street lawfully.
seriously, are you people this far gone?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:29 am to lsupride87
quote:
Yes it is up to the courts. In my opinion, and the opinion of the majority, when the force used by 5 men to subdue 1 man results in death, i would say that is excessive.
That's for the courts to decide not you.
quote:
And if it isnt God help us all
If you get to decide then God help us all.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:29 am to DawgfaninCa
quote:If there is a question?
If there is a question whether they used more physical force than necessary
If there is a question whether they used more physical force than necessary?
The man died! He died!
By witness testament, he was limp yet the cops remained on top of him. Based on outcome, there can be no question as to validity of that. The only question is as to how long he was limp.
So is there a question whether they used more physical force than necessary?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:29 am to Alahunter
quote:Then it is no longer the cops fault at all. But as i said yesterday, there is no point of this thread then. I am assuming we are all going on the pretense that the death is the result of the cops. If not there is nothing worth even having a discussion over
.e,.. stroke, heart attack, anaphylactic reaction to pepper spray (used properly), aneurism... and his death would have occurred, whether one officer subdued, or all 5?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:30 am to CptBengal
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you dont have to give cops ID because they ask when on a street lawfully.
Prove that you don't.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:31 am to DawgfaninCa
quote:You realize nothing would ever be change if we all just "grew up" and accepted BS dont you? I guess MLK should have just grew up huh?
frick you and your "common sense".
It's not okay with me if a cop arrests me when I'm innocent but if it happens then I have to go through the courts whether I like it or not.
It's life. Grow up.
(I am in no way comparing myself to the good doctor
)Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:32 am to DawgfaninCa
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Prove that you don't.
There is no law requiring you to have ID when walking on a public street. How can I Prove the law that doesnt exist?
dont worry statist...the cops will know of your love and leave you alone.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:33 am to DawgfaninCa
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you dont have to give cops ID because they ask when on a street lawfully.
quote:
Prove that you don't.
Varies by state,
LINK
In Oklahoma you are not required to show id.
This post was edited on 2/27/14 at 11:36 am
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:33 am to NC_Tigah
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If there is a question?
Yes.
quote:
If there is a question whether they used more physical force than necessary?
Yes.
quote:
So is there a question whether they used more physical force than necessary?
Just because the person died there is still a question until all the evidence is examined and given its proper weight.
This post was edited on 2/27/14 at 11:35 am
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:34 am to Alahunter
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They did what they were trained to do.
They are trained to violently attack and murder unarmed citizens? Seems like this is a policy that needs to be revisited.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:34 am to lsupride87
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.e,.. stroke, heart attack, anaphylactic reaction to pepper spray (used properly), aneurism... and his death would have occurred, whether one officer subdued, or all 5?
Then it is no longer the cops fault at all.
well...what a coincidence he died of natural causes as 5 officers were pepper spraying his airway and standing on top of him.
a miracle of probability.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:35 am to EA6B
I was taught at a young age to not trust the police. In my experience, this has been good advice as police are brainless, insecure thugs looking for a fight.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:35 am to DawgfaninCa
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Do you really believe you can run away from cops when they are requesting an ID and they can't use physical force to stop you which could result in you being physically hurt?
If I'm not guilty, yes.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:36 am to CptBengal
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There is no law requiring you to have ID when walking on a public street. How can I Prove the law that doesnt exist?
You do not have to provide an ID if no crime has been committed. An officer may ask you for your name and address for no reason at all and you can simply ignore him and walk away.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:36 am to lsupride87
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I am assuming we are all going on the pretense that the death is the result of the cops
There is that group here.
And there is the group that has said, there may be more, let's not jump to conclusions.
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