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re: Man dead after refusing to show police ID
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:46 pm to geauxturbo
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:46 pm to geauxturbo
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And i hate when people don't get the facts to a situation and make up their mind baed off of agenda.
This is such a useless and meaningless cliché. Fact is 5 cops crushed a middle-age, unarmed man as he was lying facedown on the ground until he suffocated to death. Maybe he called them a name before they suffocated him, maybe he was in poor health to start with, maybe the cops thought he was the one who hit is daughter instead of his wife, maybe the cops wanted to "take control of the scene," maybe he wiggled a few inches on the ground as they suffocated him. None of this justifies killing him.
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:47 pm to Alahunter
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Had he calmly stated his name, do you think he'd be dead today?
There is no way of knowing the answer to that question.
What we do know is that a man is dead because the police suffocated him.
What did he do that put the lives of 5 police officers in jeopardy? That is the only reasonable time that a person should lose his life when dealing with police.
All five should be fired. Not one of them recognized that the man they were holding down had died or even just passed out.
They are responsible for the man's death. He broke no laws that we know of. They should be charged with involuntary manslaughter at the very least.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I am not saying there aren't police abuses of power.
But i am saying that we should get facts before we hold up a case as an example of them. IN this case we have no real facts outside what happened before the shops showed up and when the guy was in hand cuffs.
But i am saying that we should get facts before we hold up a case as an example of them. IN this case we have no real facts outside what happened before the shops showed up and when the guy was in hand cuffs.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:50 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I'm glad this menace to society was removed from the streets.
And you know what they do to jaywalkers in prison. Tough road ahead for this lass
Of course when she's paroled she can always run for public office.
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:50 pm to mtntiger
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What did he do that put the lives of 5 police officers in jeopardy? That is the only reasonable time that a person should lose his life when dealing with police.
does it only have to be their lives, if a guy is punching them should they not get to restrain him?
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They are responsible for the man's death. He broke no laws that we know of. They should be charged with involuntary manslaughter at the very least.
In Louisiana this wouldn't be considered manslaughter. IDK about oklahoma.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:51 pm to tdg
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Fact is 5 cops crushed a middle-age, unarmed man as he was lying facedown on the ground until he suffocated to death.
that isn't a fact. where is that a fact? Do you have the autopsy report?
Thats the point. nothing in the article in the OP has any cause of death.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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A Texas woman was dragged screaming to a police car in Austin, Texas after being arrested for failing to provide ID while jaywalking.
The woman, pulled to a police car in gym clothes, was captured on video shouting, “I didn’t do anything wrong.”
Ignorance of the laws they are paid to enforce is also a huge problem, Texas like Oklahoma does not require a citizen to stop and provide ID.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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RogerTheShrubber
Has been coming with facts all thread. Well done, sir.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:55 pm to SammyTiger
I think you could make a case for manslaughter in LA but it would be hard. I see negligent homicide all day though. Bet OK has similar law.
ETA: I read that a couple of the 5 were not even cops. They were apparently off-duty game wardens who decided to hop on him. Not sure if true, but would probably be helpful in a criminal case if it is.
ETA: I read that a couple of the 5 were not even cops. They were apparently off-duty game wardens who decided to hop on him. Not sure if true, but would probably be helpful in a criminal case if it is.
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:55 pm to SammyTiger
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But i am saying that we should get facts before we hold up a case as an example of them. IN this case we have no real facts outside what happened before the shops showed up and when the guy was in hand cuffs.
I'm leaning toward siding with the unarmed dead guy. According to witnesses, they kept beating him after he appeared to have been dead. I guess you can't be too careful. You can hang on to what you wish though.
In Anchorage, the police changed some of their policies after shooting to death two unarmed men last year.
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:56 pm to EA6B
The old argument that it's just a few bad apples is starting to sound like the same excuse use to justify Islamist actions.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:56 pm to EA6B
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Ignorance of the laws they are paid to enforce is also a huge problem, Texas like Oklahoma does not require a citizen to stop and provide ID.
she was Jay walking. Which seems petty, up until you get hit by a car because you weren't in a crosswalk.
I don't know if they arrest you for it. Probably not, and this probably wasn't handled properly. Add in a crying college girl (in toe shoes
fricking gdi's) and you got yourself a good news story. Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:59 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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According to witnesses, they kept beating him after he appeared to have been dead.
that wasn't in the video or article. Maybe i missed some knew information.
Like i said, i just want the facts. At best this is still a tragic case of accidental death. But there facts make the difference.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:00 pm to SammyTiger
He general age and physical appearance are certainly facts which are easy to establish and would have been readily apparent to the cops as would the fact that he said he could not breathe. Autopsy not going to change those facts.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:03 pm to tdg
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He general age and physical appearance are certainly facts which are easy to establish and would have been readily apparent to the cops as would the fact that he said he could not breathe. Autopsy not going to change those facts.
That doesn't mean they crushed him to death.
He could have and an allergic reaction to pepper spray, or just a heart attack.
I don't know. Neither do you. I will reform my opinion if the autopsy report says he got crushed to death.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:04 pm to SammyTiger
LINK
LINK
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The lawyer for a family whose patriarch died after a one-sided confrontation with police says officers may have continued beating the man even after he was already dead.
The attorney’s remarks come as outrageous new raw footage documenting the last moments of the man’s life is released.
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The chilling video that had been confiscated by police showing five Oklahoma cops piling on top of a man in a movie theater parking lot earlier this month, leading to his death, was released today, showing the cops were struggling with what appeared to have been a dead man for five minutes.
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The family of a man who died after a struggle with police outside an Oklahoma movie theater released a cellphone video Tuesday, which shows five officers restraining the man face down on the ground, with one officer holding his head down.
Minutes later, Nair Rodriguez, who shot the nearly 6-minute video of her husband, Luis Rodriguez, outside a Moore theater earlier this month, starts to scream as he's placed on a stretcher.
"Papa! Is he OK? He doesn't move. He doesn't move! You kill him! You kill him! You killed my husband! Please somebody tell me that he's alive!" she screams. A police officer assures Nair Rodriguez that her husband is alive and that medical personnel will take care of him.
LINK
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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showing the cops were struggling with what appeared to have been a dead man for five minutes.
Jesus, thats sickening. How easy is it to get into a police academy these days?!
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
That isn't new information that is the same stuff the attorney
alleged in the first article.
I also watched the video which doesn't show any beatings or macing.
I am interested in an autopsy report. If he was crushed to death than I would agree completely this was unnecessary force.
alleged in the first article.
I also watched the video which doesn't show any beatings or macing.
I am interested in an autopsy report. If he was crushed to death than I would agree completely this was unnecessary force.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:09 pm to SammyTiger
quote:Cops are refusing to provide them
Like i said, i just want the facts
quote:An autopsy was performed 11 days ago. The preliminary findings are not being made available.
There is security camera footage from the Warren Theater. However, that has not yet been made available for us to see.
quote:Indeed.
But there facts make the difference.
So why the reticence to release them.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:09 pm to NC_Tigah
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quote:
But there facts make the difference.
Indeed.
So why the reticence to release them.
possibly an ongoing internal investigation.
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