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re: Majority (52%) of 18-29 year olds live with parents.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 7:00 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 9/16/20 at 7:00 pm to lsufball19
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I think what he's saying is that most young people out of college start out making between $35-45k which is barely enough to pay rent and take care of yourself, much less start saving for a down payment on a house.
Got it. I feel like $35-45k has been the standard starting salary for like 25 years. Maybe I just know a bunch of dorks or hustlers, which brings me to....
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The people who make more, work like slaves (EY, Deloitte, etc) and have no time to enjoy life. The people in sales who make a lot also work ungodly hours
Yes. Work-life balance is a farce. It sucks to get ahead and that’s why the average person doesn’t do it. Most of the folks I referenced in the original reply started in sales, at banks, in consulting, or engineering and all of them work 65+ hours a week. I guess I took it to mean those kinds of hours and that kind of work wasn’t worth the tradeoff.
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so many of those sales jobs kids out of college take are pyramid schemes with the top making a lot of money and the bottom making jack shite, and it's all commission based with the "managers" taking the biggest cut from all of their underlings.
Those kinds of jobs are BS and I would hope a college graduate would be able to see through them. Or at least have guidance from someone in their life who sees through them.
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Posted on 9/16/20 at 7:02 pm to Enos Burdette
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I feel like $35-45k has been the standard starting salary for like 25 years. Maybe I just know a bunch of dorks or hustlers, which brings me to....
Right, and therein lies the problem. The cost of living has grown a lot more than salaries have. shite it took me several years to save for a down payment and I was saving with my wife. Rent is just so damn expensive and we lived in a 1 BR in one of the cheaper places we could find that wasn't a total shithole. Crazy how our mortgage for a good sized house is barely more than our rent was when we were making about half as much as we do now. Another thing that killed us was while rent went up every year, so did the housing market. Felt like we were just running in neutral for the longest time and couldn't get ahead.
This post was edited on 9/16/20 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 9/16/20 at 7:06 pm to Forever
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I’m not trying to insult your career choice but being in sales is considered a truly terrible job and quality of life by a lot of people,
I think I need more clarity as to what you mean by “sales is truly a terrible job”. If someone has the personality for it and are willing to work hard it can be one of the best jobs that offers flexibility office jobs cannot. I have been in sales for over twenty years after spending my first ten out of college in an office environment. No way in hell I could go back to the office environment.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 7:18 pm to lsufball19
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Rent is just so damn expensive and we lived in a 1 BR in one of the cheaper places we could find that wasn't a total shithole. Crazy how our mortgage for a good sized house is barely more than our rent was when we were making about half as much as we do now
I remember when my brother and sister in law moved to Austin, TX. They were paying like $1,850 a month for a two bedroom apartment. That’s a mortgage and escrow on a $400,000 house.
But you’ve got to have the money for the down payment and that’s the kicker.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 10:38 pm to SEC7070
I like numbers. Numbers and math are fun and I will try to use small words so the leftard pseudo-intellectuals can follow along.
Any guesses as to the average ages of the big 3 pro sports? Okay, MLB is slightly higher than this crew at 31-32. We’ll come back to this in a moment.
Major reasons (most addressed in this thread) are
- starting jobs in 35-45K range
- crippling college debt
- lack of affordable housing
- lack of a career vision
Let’s come back to our pro-athletes. Want to guess what they have in common with the failure to launch generations? Not. One, Damned. Thing.
Starting salary:
- 6-7 figures
- zero college debt
- plenty of downpayment money for housing
- clear career goal (train, practice, own your craft, hope to be injury free)
It is starting to sound like these young guys playing games have a PRIVILEGED life is better than at least 52% of their peers. Would it surprise you to know the kids who won the genetic lottery had a PRIVILEGED high school career, getting chance after chance to be academically eligible, not be disciplined, receive gifts snd special treatment because of their vertical, 40 time or jump shot?
Would it shock you to know the special treatment begins as early as 6th grade (usually considered the onset of competitive sports— junior high).
So the next time you hear a lecture from a pro athlete, remember he is right, we don’t know what it was like to grow up like he did. It ain’t white PRIVILEGE on display in our stadiums.
TL; DR; You are liberal:
Pro athletes lead a charmed life that is way fricking better than at least half of their age cohort.
Any guesses as to the average ages of the big 3 pro sports? Okay, MLB is slightly higher than this crew at 31-32. We’ll come back to this in a moment.
Major reasons (most addressed in this thread) are
- starting jobs in 35-45K range
- crippling college debt
- lack of affordable housing
- lack of a career vision
Let’s come back to our pro-athletes. Want to guess what they have in common with the failure to launch generations? Not. One, Damned. Thing.
Starting salary:
- 6-7 figures
- zero college debt
- plenty of downpayment money for housing
- clear career goal (train, practice, own your craft, hope to be injury free)
It is starting to sound like these young guys playing games have a PRIVILEGED life is better than at least 52% of their peers. Would it surprise you to know the kids who won the genetic lottery had a PRIVILEGED high school career, getting chance after chance to be academically eligible, not be disciplined, receive gifts snd special treatment because of their vertical, 40 time or jump shot?
Would it shock you to know the special treatment begins as early as 6th grade (usually considered the onset of competitive sports— junior high).
So the next time you hear a lecture from a pro athlete, remember he is right, we don’t know what it was like to grow up like he did. It ain’t white PRIVILEGE on display in our stadiums.
TL; DR; You are liberal:
Pro athletes lead a charmed life that is way fricking better than at least half of their age cohort.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 10:54 pm to Enos Burdette
quote:and there’s a lot who are unambitious pieces of shite like me. We don’t have the jobs that used to support these people
know plenty of young people, under 30, who are building equity in nice homes, growing businesses, climbing career ladders, maxing their retirement accounts, buying Tahoes, taking vacations, having kids...doing the stuff that used to define the American dream.
This post was edited on 9/16/20 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 9/17/20 at 1:54 am to SEC7070
Losers
Posted on 9/17/20 at 2:52 am to SEC7070
I graduated high school in 1972; that's Boomer is it gets. Yea, I smoked too much pot, and played the Allman Brothers and the Stones too loud, and failed out of college the first go-round. But ya know, my peers and I used to work our asses off, and we played them off too. Made and spent about 10 fortunes. The 70s were generally bad economic times, but rather than becoming a disgruntled commie layabout, I went out and found the oil patch in Louisiana. Best times of my life. Worked hard, and played even harder. I watch these kids today and just shake my head. Can't fathom why they are so bitter. Totally freaks me out. MAGA
This post was edited on 9/17/20 at 2:59 am
Posted on 9/17/20 at 3:28 am to Forever
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I’m not trying to insult your career choice but being in sales is considered a truly terrible job and quality of life by a lot of people,
Lol wut? What are you talking about selling? Everyone I know in my industry sector makes 6 figures minimum and pretty much does whatever they want 75% of the time, I wouldn't do anything else
Posted on 9/17/20 at 5:24 am to Eric Nies Grind Time
No it’s not. People are trying to hire folks. The problem is people this age think they can just show up to work and get paid. They are the laziest workers I’ve ever seen.
Posted on 9/17/20 at 6:21 am to SEC7070
All of this boards' Liberals and pretend Libertarians live in Mommy's basement....this is not surprise to anyone paying attention.
Posted on 9/17/20 at 6:23 am to Enos Burdette
I don't know anything about you, and I don't care about your Politics.....
Your picture of Swan makes you a God in my eyes...
Just kidding, cool pic tho'.....
Your picture of Swan makes you a God in my eyes...
Just kidding, cool pic tho'.....
Posted on 9/17/20 at 6:32 am to Forever
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The fact that 18 year olds can’t move out is a symptom of our unhealthy society, not a cause of it.
In Alabama by law 18 year olds are still considered minors. You can't even receive medical care without having a parent sign a release form until you are 19.
Which means you probably can't sign a lease without a parent co-signing either.
Posted on 9/17/20 at 6:37 am to NorthGwinnett LSU
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No it’s not. People are trying to hire folks. The problem is people this age think they can just show up to work and get paid. They are the laziest workers I’ve ever seen.
I can confirm this.
I just hired three employees for entry level positions ($15 an hour) and had to go through around 450 candidates to find three that MIGHT work out.
Most of them disqualified themselves b/c when I contacted them to express interest in their application I asked them to respond back with:
1. An explanation of any gaps in employment.
2. An explanation for frequent job changes—this is the biggest problem I see in the job market. Young people today see no problem with working a job for six months and then leaving. Most of the resumes I see look like a revolving door. They have no attention span and get bored. And many of them will tell you that.
3. Their goals for one year, three years, and five years.
Almost 90% of them are too lazy to even respond to that request for information.
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