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re: Libertarians: how much power should employers have in firing workers?
Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:23 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:23 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
Jeaux, why do you think that aggressive violence is more moral than prejudice?
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Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:24 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
JB, how do you feel about native preference?
Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:27 pm to Joshjrn
Aggressive violence is defined as what? telling a business they need to give every race and religion as well as sexual orientation equal treatment? Thst violence? Hell thats America All with equal treatment.
No violence just give every body an equal chance based on race. Obviously, i can't play in the NBA because I;m 5 foot 7, slow, can't jump anymore etc.
No violence just give every body an equal chance based on race. Obviously, i can't play in the NBA because I;m 5 foot 7, slow, can't jump anymore etc.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:29 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
I dont think most of the people commenting here (me included) like the idea of discrimination. The question was framed asking if an employer should have "the right" to fire employees for those reasons. There is distinct, though sometimes small, difference in the "right to" and "should".
The question is implying, should the employer have the power, meaning, should the government step in.
The government should not step in because the government will not make things better. We as a society should punish people that act in an inappropriate manner in the way a truly free society should. Either stop using the service of the business or stop associating with those people.
The question is implying, should the employer have the power, meaning, should the government step in.
The government should not step in because the government will not make things better. We as a society should punish people that act in an inappropriate manner in the way a truly free society should. Either stop using the service of the business or stop associating with those people.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:32 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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Aggressive violence is defined as what? telling a business they need to give every race and religion as well as sexual orientation equal treatment? Thst violence?
Let's say I'm a business owner who decides that I don't want to serve purple people anymore. Agents of the state will show up and try to force me to serve purple people. If I refuse, armed agents of the state will show up to arrest me. If I refuse to surrender to their threats of force, they will use physical violence to subdue me, take me against my will, and lock me in a cage.
That violence.
So, again, why do you think that aggressive violence is more moral than prejudice?
Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:32 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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It's called prejudice. White drinking fountains?
If I put up White Drinking Fountains in my store then public backlash will hurt me through free market forces. No need for govt regulations.
And it's not prejudice..it's freedom of disassociation. See Walter Williams on this. Bob doesn't want black customers. Bob should have that freedom. Bob wouldn't stay in business long because a lot of white customers would not frequent his store. It's called 'voting with your feet.'
I don't understand why you have so little trust in the concept of FREEDOM. It's wonderful stuff.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:34 pm to saltybulldog
So you are saying it's wrong to discriminate but you want to have the ability to do it? So Bama should have been integrated but you want the ability to keep it white? (Just an example). So if I go into a Shoney's, they have the right to tell me no Jews allowed?
So Cracker barrel was allowed to not serve blacks or fre their gy waiters/waitresses? Thats just un American.
Like if I was hiring another recruiter (I wish) and I told the person sorry I won;t hire a Turkish person?
So Cracker barrel was allowed to not serve blacks or fre their gy waiters/waitresses? Thats just un American.
Like if I was hiring another recruiter (I wish) and I told the person sorry I won;t hire a Turkish person?
Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:36 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
Jeaux, I think it would be wise for you to draw a distinction between the state discriminating (unconstitutional) and private citizens discriminating. If you don't see the difference between the two, you're missing quite a bit.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:37 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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So you are saying it's wrong to discriminate but you want to have the ability to do it?
JB, do you ever advocate for the rights of people you have little in common with?
Because I support individual and employer rights, it doesn't mean I condone racial prejudice.
I also support the legalization of marijuana, and don't smoke. I don't mid if gays get married and am straight.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:40 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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JEAUXBLEAUX
Correct me if I am wrong, but don't you support NYC's stop and frisk policy?
Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:42 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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So you are saying it's wrong to discriminate but you want to have the ability to do it?
Everyone discriminates. When I married Lucy it was an act of discrimination against every other woman on the planet.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I am not really in favor of marijuana legalization but don;t really care. I am 100% in favor of allowing gay marriage in all 50 states. In fact, I cannot see how you can be married in one state but not another.
On the other hand, I see the need for states as withering away over time.
and for the record, our dear mayor year was so way out of bounds with the large soda bs. there
There were signs in the coffee places about it and we laughed.
On the other hand, I see the need for states as withering away over time.
and for the record, our dear mayor year was so way out of bounds with the large soda bs. there
There were signs in the coffee places about it and we laughed.
This post was edited on 12/27/13 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:47 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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On the other hand, I see the need for states as withering away over time.
This is about as anti-libertarian as you can get. Centralization of power and authority or the greatest threat to the liberty of the individual. So, laws should be created on the SMALLEST level possible. Not the largest.
The hierarchy should be:
1. The person
2. The family
3. The neighborhood
4. The city/town
5. The state (50 of them)
6. The nation
Last: Global Govt.
The reason why liberals like you trend toward the bottom of this scale is because you don't trust people with freedom and you love the fiat power of Govt to make life the way you want life to be, regardless of the opinions of others.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 2:54 pm to Zach
So do away with the state, county/parish, city, ward, neighborhood etc and let anarachy take over. It's 2014 (almost) and in the Big City we need police protection and yes I feel better seeing soldiers with guns in the Subways every day (Ok in a half hour or so). Wish we didn't need them but in NY too many nuts
We don't live in a libertarian textbook. reality is what reality is and with out regulations Wall Street will run everything.
I guess the good thing is that we all have a different reality every day which keeps things interesting.
On that note going to lock up soon and head home. Bowl games to watch and leftovers and more leftovers.
We don't live in a libertarian textbook. reality is what reality is and with out regulations Wall Street will run everything.
I guess the good thing is that we all have a different reality every day which keeps things interesting.
On that note going to lock up soon and head home. Bowl games to watch and leftovers and more leftovers.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 3:02 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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So do away with the state, county/parish, city, ward, neighborhood etc and let anarachy take over. It's 1930 (almost) and in the Fatherland we need police protection and yes I feel better seeing soldiers with guns in the streets every day (Ok in a half hour or so). Wish we didn't need them but in Deutschland too many Jews
Posted on 12/27/13 at 3:05 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Always goes back to me being Jewish. Funny most posters are good people and we have funny banter back and forth but there's always 1 prejudiced so and so.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 3:07 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
You never answered my question about stop and frisk.
IDGAF about you being jewish, I just find it funny that a jew would be so inline politically with a philosophy that tried to exterminate him.
IDGAF about you being jewish, I just find it funny that a jew would be so inline politically with a philosophy that tried to exterminate him.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 3:08 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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So do away with the state, county/parish, city, ward, neighborhood etc and let anarachy take over.
No, you've got it backwards. Do away with the feds and global govt. The BOTTOM of my scale is what I don't want. Not the top.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 3:10 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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Always goes back to me being Jewish.
I like Jews. My grandmother was a Jew who immigrated from Germany. But Jews are hopeless liberals.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 3:12 pm to JohnnyKilroy
I see no reason is 2014 why marriages legal in one state are not legal in another. That's just stupid. 1 nation 1 law.
It is also crazy that companies cannot sell their insurance in every state but have restrictions state by state. restraint of trade
and I didn't call you an anti Semite but there is no need to bring religion into this.
Both he extreme left and the extreme right dislike the Jewish people so where is a nice Jewish boy to go. I know Home bye bye
It is also crazy that companies cannot sell their insurance in every state but have restrictions state by state. restraint of trade
and I didn't call you an anti Semite but there is no need to bring religion into this.
Both he extreme left and the extreme right dislike the Jewish people so where is a nice Jewish boy to go. I know Home bye bye
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