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Lets talk Yangs HC Plan
Posted on 12/17/19 at 2:33 am
Posted on 12/17/19 at 2:33 am
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While I don’t support any of the candidates in the Democratic Party at this point, I think we should be listening to some of the plans. Yang is probably the most competent amongst the Dems on HC imo.
Yang released his healthcare plan and it consciously sidesteps a main detail I really care about: will the public insurance system be funded via a universal payroll tax (I.e., everyone pays into it, even folks who buy private insurance)?
Most people are going to care about the funding mechanism and how enrollment works. Do you only pay into it if you opt-in? Because that would be a disaster Imo and a total no go for most voters.
So based on what is revealed, it sounds like he wants to cover most of the basics of healthcare insurance. This sounds like the Australian model I've heard about where there is basic universal coverage but you can have private insurance on top for specific needs.
Ironically he nails the cost drivers and systemic failure of US system unlike all other candidates but didn't specify what the financing mechanism would look like?
Most likely allow a buy in to base Medicare A and B, and allow Individuals to supplement with either Part C or Medicare Advantage. This would be close to the Aussie model, which is definitely one of the top 3 systems globally.
Side Note: One of the things that makes the Aussie model solvent is that it’s paid for by a payroll tax of 2%, so the “rich” people pay into more, as opposed to Warrens “m4a” plan wherein employers pay per head. This detail should be import for Dem voters but we shall see?
While I don’t support any of the candidates in the Democratic Party at this point, I think we should be listening to some of the plans. Yang is probably the most competent amongst the Dems on HC imo.
Yang released his healthcare plan and it consciously sidesteps a main detail I really care about: will the public insurance system be funded via a universal payroll tax (I.e., everyone pays into it, even folks who buy private insurance)?
Most people are going to care about the funding mechanism and how enrollment works. Do you only pay into it if you opt-in? Because that would be a disaster Imo and a total no go for most voters.
So based on what is revealed, it sounds like he wants to cover most of the basics of healthcare insurance. This sounds like the Australian model I've heard about where there is basic universal coverage but you can have private insurance on top for specific needs.
Ironically he nails the cost drivers and systemic failure of US system unlike all other candidates but didn't specify what the financing mechanism would look like?
Most likely allow a buy in to base Medicare A and B, and allow Individuals to supplement with either Part C or Medicare Advantage. This would be close to the Aussie model, which is definitely one of the top 3 systems globally.
Side Note: One of the things that makes the Aussie model solvent is that it’s paid for by a payroll tax of 2%, so the “rich” people pay into more, as opposed to Warrens “m4a” plan wherein employers pay per head. This detail should be import for Dem voters but we shall see?
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Posted on 12/17/19 at 2:49 am to TOKEN
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Lets talk Yangs HC Plan
Lets not... He is not viable and he is an Asian who is bad at math. He may be slotted for VP at this point ,but I don't even see that.
Posted on 12/17/19 at 3:22 am to stelly1025
Mental Midgets please stay out thread...
Posted on 12/17/19 at 3:35 am to TOKEN
I read somewhere that health care providers in the USA make about 1/3 to 1/2 more than other developed countries.
The Dr. lobby is well funded.
It would take a dictator to make the necessary changes to make even a modest reduction in health care cost.
End of live cost(last 2-3 months ) make up a large part of health care cost.
The Dr. lobby is well funded.
It would take a dictator to make the necessary changes to make even a modest reduction in health care cost.
End of live cost(last 2-3 months ) make up a large part of health care cost.
Posted on 12/17/19 at 3:37 am to TOKEN
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Mental Midgets please stay out thread...
Well than get out retard.
Posted on 12/17/19 at 3:46 am to stelly1025
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Well than get out retard
“Well than”
Smh can’t fix stupid
Posted on 12/17/19 at 3:59 am to Tiger Roux
Yang starts with Prescription Drugs
But almost every problem involving price gouging, formulary manipulation, & drug shortages can be traced back to PBMs. This is a major oversight in Andrew Yang's proposal.
70% the current cost of insulin is from PBM markup alone?
Yup. SEVENTY PERCENT.
Why? Because PBMs are legally allowed to give financial kickbacks to everyone in healthcare (except doctors) as it relates to drugs. And GPOs can too (medical supplies).
But almost every problem involving price gouging, formulary manipulation, & drug shortages can be traced back to PBMs. This is a major oversight in Andrew Yang's proposal.
70% the current cost of insulin is from PBM markup alone?
Yup. SEVENTY PERCENT.
Why? Because PBMs are legally allowed to give financial kickbacks to everyone in healthcare (except doctors) as it relates to drugs. And GPOs can too (medical supplies).
Posted on 12/17/19 at 4:19 am to TOKEN
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TOKEN
So is this the Poli Board’s token Communist?
Posted on 12/17/19 at 5:22 am to TOKEN
Wasn't he the one with the guys on their knees with the whipped cream in the mouths of supporters?
Yeah...That's him.
Ummm...no thanks.
Yeah...That's him.
Ummm...no thanks.
Posted on 12/17/19 at 5:53 am to TOKEN
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Most people are going to care about the funding mechanism and how enrollment works. Do you only pay into it if you opt-in? Because that would be a disaster Imo and a total no go for most voters.
I agree it would be a disaster but great for people who want private healthcare. I think republicans should offer to pass a deal like this . It would make people who work and support it realize that they would just be paying more for less. It would cause the private insurance prices to go back close to pre Obama prices. I don’t think it would even last a month because all these rich democrats who claim to want it would keep their private insurance.
Posted on 12/17/19 at 5:53 am to Rock the Casbah
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So is this the Poli Board’s token Communist?
Says the complacent shills that believe unaffordable insurance = healthcare while pretending he’s not paying for others socialized medicine? Do you want better and more affordable healthcare? It was the number 1 issue in 2018.
Posted on 12/17/19 at 6:07 am to TOKEN
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Mental Midgets please stay out thread...
The thread was started by one.
Posted on 12/17/19 at 6:11 am to TOKEN
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Says the complacent shills that believe unaffordable insurance = healthcare while pretending he’s not paying for others socialized medicine?
Damn, I sure hope you have retard insurance.
Posted on 12/17/19 at 6:12 am to Tiger Roux
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End of live cost(last 2-3 months ) make up a large part of health care cost.
time for the Soylent Green act
Posted on 12/17/19 at 6:27 am to TOKEN
Sounds intriguing, but in the US that likely has failure written all over it.
I’ve talked about this model but it has its faults. It is a 2 tiered system with a mix of charity hospitals on one side and private hospitals on the other. It is essentially the Louisiana model before shutting down many of its charity hospitals.
The only way a system like this could work is to shift the burden of the private hospitals into less indigent care. That way the hospitals deal with realistic rates and do not have to factor that extra care in their costs.
On the other side for the charity hospitals to work, they need to be managed much better than the way the state managed them like government workers and cut down on the wasteful spending. You would almost need an operational deal like Chabert Medical Center has with Oschner to manage the hospital.
It may not be the best, but at least it is a start to some sanity in health care.
I’ve talked about this model but it has its faults. It is a 2 tiered system with a mix of charity hospitals on one side and private hospitals on the other. It is essentially the Louisiana model before shutting down many of its charity hospitals.
The only way a system like this could work is to shift the burden of the private hospitals into less indigent care. That way the hospitals deal with realistic rates and do not have to factor that extra care in their costs.
On the other side for the charity hospitals to work, they need to be managed much better than the way the state managed them like government workers and cut down on the wasteful spending. You would almost need an operational deal like Chabert Medical Center has with Oschner to manage the hospital.
It may not be the best, but at least it is a start to some sanity in health care.
Posted on 12/17/19 at 6:35 am to TOKEN
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Do you want better and more affordable healthcare?
I ready have it, so I’m good
Posted on 12/17/19 at 7:26 am to TOKEN
Yang's idea is no better than the bazillion others that do nothing but just add more shite onto a shitty situation.
Rising insurance costs are feeding rising healthcare costs. Address why healthcare costs are rising.
Fund more medical school grants for qualifying students. One of the biggest issues is the supply v demand of medical professionals.
Allow the government to negotiate drug prices with producers.
Pass a law which expressly states emergency rooms can refuse service for non-emergency issues. A cold, high blood pressure, hangnails, etc. are not things that should be handled in an emergency room.
Rising insurance costs are feeding rising healthcare costs. Address why healthcare costs are rising.
Fund more medical school grants for qualifying students. One of the biggest issues is the supply v demand of medical professionals.
Allow the government to negotiate drug prices with producers.
Pass a law which expressly states emergency rooms can refuse service for non-emergency issues. A cold, high blood pressure, hangnails, etc. are not things that should be handled in an emergency room.
Posted on 12/17/19 at 7:33 am to TOKEN
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o you only pay into it if you opt-in? Because that would be a disaster Imo and a total no go for most voters.
What voters? Those that wish to live off the backs of the american taxpayer? Sure. Those that earn their own living and want the nanny state eliminated, then absolutely not.
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So based on what is revealed, it sounds like he wants to cover most of the basics of healthcare insurance. This sounds like the Australian model I've heard about where there is basic universal coverage but you can have private insurance on top for specific needs.
So you will treat it like public education then? We'll keep on pumping tax dollars into a failing program/idea, meanwhile, i'll also have to pay for private school because i dare not entrust my children's education to the bureacratic system.
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Ironically he nails the cost drivers and systemic failure of US system
Please specify.
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but didn't specify what the financing mechanism would look like?
Gee, i wonder why....MORE TAXES!!!
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Most likely allow a buy in to base Medicare A and B, and allow Individuals to supplement with either Part C or Medicare Advantage. This would be close to the Aussie model, which is definitely one of the top 3 systems globally.
Right, it's the aussie system now. Before that it was the British system. Then it was the canadian system. I'm sure there are lefties who even preferred the venezuelan model. SOCIALISM IS A FAILURE. Stop stealing from others!!!
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One of the things that makes the Aussie model solvent is that it’s paid for by a payroll tax of 2%, so the “rich” people pay into more
This is the stupidest comment of your whole spiel. The "rich" aren't paying the payroll tax, dammit. The employers are. WHy can't libs understand that every increase on the rich or business gets filtered down through the employees, ESPECIALLY, payroll taxes.
This post was edited on 12/17/19 at 7:34 am
Posted on 12/17/19 at 7:36 am to Tiger Roux
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It would take a dictator to make the necessary changes to make even a modest reduction in health care cost.
Fun facts.
1) Higher education spending began spiraling out of control the second government got involved (2010ish). Now the regressives are here to save us from the mess they created.
2) Knowing that, can someone tell me why healthcare costs started spiraling out of control? Hint: Read #1
Posted on 12/17/19 at 7:38 am to TOKEN
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everyone pays into it, even folks who buy private insurance)?
So, more redistribution of wealth...
Where is the personal responsibility for eating hoho's and drinking yohoo?
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