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Legal Aid Justice Center: millions lose driver's licenses because they can't pay fines
Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:47 pm
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Another cuck 'justice center' that fails to grasp the real reason these drivers lose their licenses. It's simple, really: don't commit the infraction and you won't incur fines. Pay your fines and you won't incur additional court costs. But let's not consider personal responsibility because it's rich people's fault.
WASHINGTON — Drivers nationwide who accumulate court debt as a result of traffic citations or criminal charges have been losing their driver’s licenses by the millions, and a Virginia advocacy group claims the situation is having a disproportionately negative impact on poor people.
'According to a report released this week by the Legal Aid Justice Center, millions have seen their licenses suspended as a penalty for being unable to pay court costs and fines.'
Another cuck 'justice center' that fails to grasp the real reason these drivers lose their licenses. It's simple, really: don't commit the infraction and you won't incur fines. Pay your fines and you won't incur additional court costs. But let's not consider personal responsibility because it's rich people's fault.
WASHINGTON — Drivers nationwide who accumulate court debt as a result of traffic citations or criminal charges have been losing their driver’s licenses by the millions, and a Virginia advocacy group claims the situation is having a disproportionately negative impact on poor people.
'According to a report released this week by the Legal Aid Justice Center, millions have seen their licenses suspended as a penalty for being unable to pay court costs and fines.'
Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:47 pm to conservativewifeymom
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millions lose driver's licenses because they can't pay fines
I'm okay with that. Take uber until you pay your shite.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:48 pm to conservativewifeymom
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a Virginia advocacy group claims the situation is having a disproportionately negative impact on poor people.
They're probably right.
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'According to a report released this week by the Legal Aid Justice Center, millions have seen their licenses suspended as a penalty for being unable to pay court costs and fines.'
The thing is, no one is depriving them of a right. If someone wants to create a fund so these folks can pay off their fines, more power to them. But this is not a case of a miscarriage of justice.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:50 pm to conservativewifeymom
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millions lose driver's licenses because they can't pay fines
Good, if I didn't pay my fines I would expect nothing less. The US has entered a state of complete unaccountably for personal actions, it's always someone else's fault.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:52 pm to conservativewifeymom
That's odd. I've never had to pay any fines.
But then again, I don't break the law.
But then again, I don't break the law.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:53 pm to conservativewifeymom
Less people on the road would be amazing
Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:55 pm to HempHead
"Lack of money disproportionally effects poor people"
I mean, yeah.
I don't wish poverty on anyway, but obviously things that cost money are harder for people with less money.
What's the alternative here? If you don't have a certain amount of money you don't have to follow laws? A law is literally pointless without a penalty for breaking it.
On a positive note this is good for global warming right? article says millions of less drivers
I mean, yeah.
I don't wish poverty on anyway, but obviously things that cost money are harder for people with less money.
What's the alternative here? If you don't have a certain amount of money you don't have to follow laws? A law is literally pointless without a penalty for breaking it.
On a positive note this is good for global warming right? article says millions of less drivers
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:02 pm to conservativewifeymom
Ok, but the fines are a just a tax dressed up as a deterrent, and would you deliberately tax people who couldn't afford it if say, 1 in 50 were going to end up struggling to eat or get to work because of the tax?
I got a speeding ticket, ended up being $200 plus the cost of the defensive driving course. I was like 7 over in the middle of nowhere, driving downhill in a car I wasn't used to. And I don't like people speeding, but it's not like I was blowing through downtown or around kids playing outside.
Luckily I could pay. But imagine that $200 means I can't make a car payment, my car gets repo'd so I have to pay extra to get that back, then my boss fires me anyway because I ended up being late because I was dealing with the fallout of my speeding ticket, now I can't pay the fine. So because I sped up I lost my job, and am now no longer productive. And the fine does what exactly? Teach me to ride my brakes on that hill in future? Sure, could've done that with a sign or something. Is it worth potentially taking me out of the socio-economic jigsaw puzzle for x amount of time just because I did that? Or should we step in and say, ok, the punishment is going to start a chain of cause and effect that results in a significantly more troubling outcome than anyone wanted to see for someone who got caught driving over the limit in the middle of nowhere? If we're cool with that we might as well just throw people in debtors prison and force them to work off their debt at $2 a day.
I got a speeding ticket, ended up being $200 plus the cost of the defensive driving course. I was like 7 over in the middle of nowhere, driving downhill in a car I wasn't used to. And I don't like people speeding, but it's not like I was blowing through downtown or around kids playing outside.
Luckily I could pay. But imagine that $200 means I can't make a car payment, my car gets repo'd so I have to pay extra to get that back, then my boss fires me anyway because I ended up being late because I was dealing with the fallout of my speeding ticket, now I can't pay the fine. So because I sped up I lost my job, and am now no longer productive. And the fine does what exactly? Teach me to ride my brakes on that hill in future? Sure, could've done that with a sign or something. Is it worth potentially taking me out of the socio-economic jigsaw puzzle for x amount of time just because I did that? Or should we step in and say, ok, the punishment is going to start a chain of cause and effect that results in a significantly more troubling outcome than anyone wanted to see for someone who got caught driving over the limit in the middle of nowhere? If we're cool with that we might as well just throw people in debtors prison and force them to work off their debt at $2 a day.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:04 pm to conservativewifeymom
You think they give a flying rip? These are the type of people who'll just continue to drive without licenses. And insurance.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:05 pm to conservativewifeymom
I can't pay my fine and buy a $200 pair of sneakers or an iphone. I just won't pay my fine.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:05 pm to conservativewifeymom
Then take the bus or other public transportation. Problem solved
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:05 pm to HonoraryCoonass
Yeap, plenty of those in VA. Don't get hit by someone with VA plates; in all likelihood, they're illegals driving without insurance. Our insurance rates are going up sharply every year because of the need to fund the 'Uninsured motorist fund.'
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:08 pm to conservativewifeymom
Geez, where were these people when I was 17 years old being forced to work at Chuck E. Cheese's (dressed as Chuck E.)for 3.15 an hour to pay for 5 speeding tickets?
I'm trying to recall how I got out of this. Oh yeah, I lost my license for 1 year because I couldn't pay the fine because evidently the State of Alabama doesn't take "white privilege" as payment.
It's been awhile, but it's all coming back to me. How did I ever break the shackles of injustice that was bestowed upon me? Oh that's right, I started taking responsibility for my actions.
I'm trying to recall how I got out of this. Oh yeah, I lost my license for 1 year because I couldn't pay the fine because evidently the State of Alabama doesn't take "white privilege" as payment.
It's been awhile, but it's all coming back to me. How did I ever break the shackles of injustice that was bestowed upon me? Oh that's right, I started taking responsibility for my actions.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:08 pm to Tiger Prawn
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Then take the bus or other public transportation. Problem solved
To be fair, a lot of these folks may live in a place that has no available public transportation and/or an area in which using something like a bicycle is not tenable.
Their lack of effective transportation may lead them to joblessness and consequently, a life on the dole.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:09 pm to Mephistopheles
I mean that would suck for sure.
What's the alternative though? I'm all for lower costs for everyone but obviously someone determined that price.
Are there no payment plans?
Are people advocating for tiered, income based fines?
Why should someone pay more for the exact same action just because they have more money?
What's the alternative though? I'm all for lower costs for everyone but obviously someone determined that price.
Are there no payment plans?
Are people advocating for tiered, income based fines?
Why should someone pay more for the exact same action just because they have more money?
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:10 pm to HempHead
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Their lack of effective transportation may lead them to joblessness and consequently, a life on the dole.
Oh indeed.
There might not be a more cost effective anti-poverty measure than increaed access to reliable transportation.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:13 pm to conservativewifeymom
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It's simple, really: don't commit the infraction and you won't incur fines. Pay your fines and you won't incur additional court costs. But let's not consider personal responsibility because it's rich people's fault.
It's cute you think people get tickets because they break the law.
The fundraising portion of speeding tickets play no part of any traffic stop.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:13 pm to conservativewifeymom
I got summoned to court as a witness in a car accident. Dude walks up and is disrespectful as frick to the judge. Turns out the dude had kept going up there for 2 years and pushing a $175 fee back to the next date. Judge asks if he has the money, he says no, she says cuff him. It was quite funny. Was a black woman judge also so he couldn't claim racism. That lady was tough as shite on young black guys
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:13 pm to Duke
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There might not be a more cost effective anti-poverty measure than increaed access to reliable transportation.
Unfortunately, due to our vast, sprawling nature coupled with low population density, I'm not sure there is an effective solution. We surely can't expect rural bussing services for already cash-strapped counties and municipalities.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:14 pm to Centinel
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That's odd. I've never had to pay any fines.
Really? You've never gotten a speeding ticket or even a parking ticket?
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