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re: Leftists, in your opposition to Tariffs…
Posted on 11/6/25 at 11:49 am to CleverUserName
Posted on 11/6/25 at 11:49 am to CleverUserName
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The fact you want to accelerate spending with less revenue has been shared. To accelerate the deficit further, have to print more money to cover, and to help increase inflation. And you then want to blame it all on the current executive.
Stop with the hyperbole shite… who else is to blame for it
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Posted on 11/6/25 at 11:53 am to lepdagod
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Stop with the hyperbole shite… who else is to blame for it
Exactly. Who else? The Dems. Of course.
After all. It’s their own demand. And it’s a huge demand to further supplement the already permanent supplements to make their very own failure of Obamacare limp along. The same Obamacare that adds tons to the deficit year after year after year that they want to blame on someone else.
This post was edited on 11/6/25 at 11:56 am
Posted on 11/6/25 at 11:55 am to CleverUserName
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Exactly. Who else? The Dems. Of course.
So you absolving Trump of all fault???
Posted on 11/6/25 at 11:55 am to CleverUserName
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Excellent!!! So yes tariffs are revenue.
Tax on the public.
You Statists are in for a huge disappointment. Donny the divider is doing it again.
Presidential Hopeful AOC will carry the banner for yall in 2028
This post was edited on 11/6/25 at 11:57 am
Posted on 11/6/25 at 12:00 pm to lepdagod
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So you absolving Trump of all fault???
Of this shutdown? Absolutely. There is zero legitimate argument otherwise. The CR put forward has been voted yes on by democrats 13 times. Dare I say that makes it about as bipartisan as you can get. Also, past statements by the majority of Dem senators flys absolutely in the face of their current stance.
Of deficits? I do not. The premise of DOGE was a good start. But again, constant headwinds from big spenders including federal judicial intervention and, yes, government shutdowns stalls the process.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 12:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Tax on the public. You Statists are in for a huge disappointment. Donny the divider is doing it again.
As already stated… the definition or implementation of tariffs is not the question or the argument here. Just the existence of them and their end destination. I don’t know how many times I have to waive away this deflection.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 12:04 pm to CleverUserName
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As already stated… the definition or implementation of tariffs is not the question or the argument here. Just the existence of them and their end destination. I don’t know how many times I have to waive away this deflection.
Youre deflecting, not I.
Tariffs are a tax on the American people.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 12:06 pm to CleverUserName
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Of this shutdown? Absolutely. There is zero legitimate argument otherwise.
Shutdown???… that ain’t the argument we’ve been having… your whole “premise” has been since Trump made a shitshow out of this tariff thing that Congress should cover his arse and not do their due diligence for the American people…
Posted on 11/6/25 at 12:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Youre deflecting, not I. Tariffs are a tax on the American people.
Good gosh. I’m going to post this again for your benefit. Showing you, yet again, that the definition, application, or policy thereof is irrelevant. You are arguing about something in left field as pertains to the subject of this thread.
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There is no “premise” being argued. There is an attempt to muddy up the definition and application of what the tariffs are when it has absolutely nothing to do with the overall question at hand. Nothing. Zilch.
Im not sitting here arguing for or against them. Not in this thread, not anywhere. I’m not trying to get into a discussion about the application or intention.
Im asking a very simple question. That even the most bloviating board “independents” somehow are going above and beyond to keep from getting on record.
1) The simple thing, Argument for or against tariffs be damned, is it revenue to the US government?
Simple. Concise. Easy. And then…
2) should the democrats surrender their monstrous spending demand, holding the government hostage to get passed in an undemocratic way, and vote to end the filibuster and pass the CR that they have voted for 13 times prior under Biden. So that will not be more debt in loss of rhe tariffs.
Simple. No argument for or against tariffs. No argument over the definition of them. No argument over the application of them. Just what is the end result and if spending should be curtailed.
Everything other than the two questions is deflective noise.
There again, read and comprehend. Slowly if necessary.
This post was edited on 11/6/25 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 11/6/25 at 12:13 pm to CleverUserName
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The benefits come back as soon as the democrats vote yes on their own CR they lock step voted for 13 times during the last administration.
That's pigeon feed.
During Obama's administrations, the Republican House voted some 70 times to repeal the ACA.
Where are all those votes now that there's a Republican president?
Posted on 11/6/25 at 12:14 pm to CleverUserName
Taxes are revenue, yes. However that wasnt the stated purpose of tariffs. It was to "even the playing field."
Yes Dems should surrender their demands, but the Public is going to blame the party in power.
Your welcome.
Yes Dems should surrender their demands, but the Public is going to blame the party in power.
Your welcome.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 12:19 pm to Harry Boutte
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That's pigeon feed.
I don’t understand. Are you saying this CR voted yes on by these senators 13 times in the last administration was too short on benefits? They cut any benefits? They were “starving Americans”?
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During Obama's administrations, the Republican House voted some 70 times to repeal the ACA.
Yea. True. That’s from left field again per this thread. But whatever.
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Where are all those votes now that there's a Republican president?
Still there I suppose. But guess what happens in the senate with any vote on the repeal? Bingo. Same thing that is happening now.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 12:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Taxes are revenue, yes. However that wasnt the stated purpose of tariffs. It was to "even the playing field." Yes Dems should surrender their demands, but the Public is going to blame the party in power. Your welcome.
BOOM!!! That was the entire purpose of this thread. Thank you. That’s all that was being asked.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 12:32 pm to CleverUserName
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the Republican House voted some 70 times to repeal the ACA
That’s from left field again per this thread. But whatever.
This is from your OP:
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the democrats surrendering their request for trillions more in spending
Isn't that request for trillions more tied directly to the ACA?
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Are you saying this CR voted yes on by these senators 13 times in the last administration was too short on benefits?
No, I'm saying that if the Republicans had repealed the ACA like they promised, the Democrats wouldn't have a leg to stand on regarding the CR.
BUT frick CONTINUING RESOLUTIONS ALL TO HELL. WHY DIDN'T WE GET A BUDGET BILL LAST SEPTEMBER?
This congress is broken and need to be swept out in the mid-terms. And if they keep dicking around like this, they will be.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 12:48 pm to Harry Boutte
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Isn't that request for trillions more tied directly to the ACA?
Not all of it is. But..
The subsidies in the center of this is pandemic originated additional subsidies that were set to expire by democrats at that time,and not even related to the original ACA.
So since it’s post Obamacare passing and only supposed to be pandemic related, the past arguments over the repeal or passing is irrelevant. This is still pandemic spending. And was set to expire in bills approved previously by democrats.
That makes any argument that the shutdown is Trump’s doing completely asinine. The democrats previously approved this sunset of the pandemic ACA subsidies… now they are holding the government hostage over the same sunset of the subsidies.
Amazing isn’t it?
Posted on 11/6/25 at 12:53 pm to CleverUserName
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pandemic originated additional subsidies...not even related to the original ACA.
Subsidies for what?
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the pandemic ACA subsidies
Oh, ACA subsidies.
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the past arguments over the repeal or passing is irrelevant.
Oh, I see, you're just fricking silly. There would be no ACA subsidies if there was no ACA.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 12:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Bernie Sanders.
Bernie’s too busy in a three way with AOC and Mamdani to worry about tariffs now, he has big communist dreams to pursue.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 12:59 pm to Harry Boutte
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Oh, I see, you're just fricking silly. There would be no ACA subsidies if there was no ACA.
Well. No shite.
And this again has zilch to do with the point and limited scope of this thread.
There is a way to post a thread about the ACA back on the main page. And you will absolutely find a ton of support for repeal of Obamacare. But the existence and the attempted repeal has nothing to do with this thread.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 1:06 pm to LSUtoBOOT
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Bernie’s too busy in a three way with AOC and Mamdani to worry about tariffs now, he has big communist dreams to pursue.
As lazy as Bernie is, I'm sure this too will fizzle out.
He literally copied his idol Marx and avoided work most of his life.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 1:12 pm to CleverUserName
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this again has zilch to do with the point and limited scope of this thread.
The ACA has nothing to do with the ACA subsidies the Democrats are holding out for - as you indicate in the OP?
Is this how you cope with being wrong, spinning around in circles on the floor, blabbing nonsense?
You're not nearly as clever as your username would suggest.
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