re: Leftist site claiming Lindsey Graham hired gay sex workers

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Jizzy Vessel@spunkchili...

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Gays can come up with some disgusting names...

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Prostitution has always been around and is never completely going away. Same with gay sex.

But legitimizing them with an official government endorsement is another matter.

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Yes, this amazing logic is why gay sex is still “illegal” under Louisiana law. Nobody wants to put their name on anything to remove unconstitutional laws because of brave people like you who think it means they are supportive of the act itself and the government is “legitimizing it.”

Well done.

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You wanted the legitimization. You wanted the endorsement. Because you knew it would influence public opinion.

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It’s not super complicated. Most gays just wanted to be able to marry like everyone else in their lives could. Just like their friends and family.

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Nobody wants to put their name on anything to remove unconstitutional laws because of brave people like you who think it means they are supportive of the act itself and the government is “legitimizing it.”

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Are those laws enforced? No?

Then why exactly is it that you'd like to see them removed?

Could it be that you don't want the stigma of having them on the books because it delegitimizes gay sex?

Thanks for making my argument for me.

No matter how much you keep trying you don't get to have this both ways. You just tried and couldn't keep from confirming the argument yourself.

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It’s not super complicated. Most gays just wanted to be able to marry like everyone else in their lives could. Just like their friends and family.

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But you're not like your friends and family. You can't procreate. You are not entering into an arrangement that the state needs to legitimize and protect in order to avoid having to use taxpayer money to care for the children that happen as a result of the arrangement. That's the state's legitimate interest.

The rest is religious tradition.

Anybody can and should be able to agree to a contract. Again, you guys had that already. You had the legal protections. And in any states in which you didn't the support was there to give them to you from a federal angle. But that wasn't what you really wanted.

You wanted the legitimacy. Just as you said (thanks for two confirmations in one post), so that gay unions would be seen just like heterosexual unions.

Graham will never resign from office, never

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Are those laws enforced? No?

Then why exactly is it that you'd like to see them removed?

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Unconstitutional laws are removed regularly. The law institute sends the legislature a list. It has nothing to do with the government “endorsing” the act. Removing an unconstitutional law that should have never been in place to begin with is not an endorsement of said act. It’s an endorsement of government staying out of people’s private lives…something all conservatives should support.

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But you're not like your friends and family. You can't procreate. You are not entering into an arrangement that the state needs to legitimize and protect in order to avoid having to use taxpayer money to care for the children that happen as a result of the arrangement. That's the state's legitimate interest.

The rest is religious tradition.

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Alright bud. If that’s what you believe, I’m not gonna change your mind. Take care

Innocent until proven guilty, but if I had an inclination, probably true…

Dems are calculated. Now that Zelensky is being shut down, why not go after Graham?

They don’t call him “Lady G” for nothin’ lol

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Unconstitutional laws are removed regularly.

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And many of them never are.

In Louisiana, since you brought it up, it's still illegal to send food to someone who isn't aware that you're going to do it.

In Maryland, it's illegal to scrub your sink.

In Delaware, it's illegal to sell cat or dog hair.

In Berkeley, California, it's illegal to whistle for a lost canary before 7 am.

Adultery, fortune telling, cursing in public, blasphemy, cohabitation, and seduction are all illegal in Michigan.

There's no telling what zombie laws are on the books where I live in Alabama.

So what?

Again, are you concerned about the food sending zombie law in Louisiana? I doubt it, even though it's reasonable that at some point you might want to send food to someone who didn't know you were going to do it. Some family might have a member pass away and you could be breaking the law by sending them a casserole.

We both know why you care about one and not the other. You have made my argument for me, now for the third time. Those anti-gay laws are signifiant even if they are never enforced because they influence how the public views gay people, gay sex, and gay marriage.

That works both ways, though. Not just the one way you want it to work.

Remember what this conversation is about.

You thought you had a "gotcha" moment wherein Republicans were being hypocritical because we don't all want to run Lindsey Graham out of town on a rail for visiting gay prostitutes, yet many of us were against codifying same sex marriage. Your implication is that the only reason we don't care is because it's a Republican caught up in it (and I understand why that's your knee-jerk response, because that is how leftists reason).

But that's not it. It's not the same scenario, and I've explained why. You've tried to disagree with my reasoning, but like AOC with her recent tax cut narrative, all you do is continue to make my argument for me. You are correct, you won't change my mind...for sure not by agreeing with me, even if the agreement is unwitting on your part.