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re: Lee and Jackson Statues Coming Down in Charlottesville
Posted on 7/10/21 at 4:05 pm to Burt Reynolds
Posted on 7/10/21 at 4:05 pm to Burt Reynolds
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The lost cause myth has been debunked countless times
Oh good grief
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Posted on 7/10/21 at 4:06 pm to thejuiceisloose
One of my best friends always uses the Mississippi declaration to argue that the South is somehow exempt from any defense or sympathy, and I think this is mistaken in both regards.
First, as already mentioned, slavery was certainly a moral evil, and slavery was a major issue of the time, but what was the Union’s response regarding slavery? Did an amendment to protect slavery not pass the house and senate after several states had already seceded and before the invasion? Can you post what that amendment said and which states’ representatives voted for it? What about the President responsible for the invasion? What did he say in his first inaugural address about his and the government’s authority over slavery and in a private letter in the middle of the war regarding slavery and the purpose of war? Can you post those quotes? Is invasion and total war for political subjugation a moral good?
I don’t love everything my government or fellow citizens do, in fact I hate a lot of it, but if a foreign people invade, I’ll be fighting for my home, I don’t care what reason they’re invading for. But if you answer the questions above, the reason for invasion looks a lot less righteous.
And as far as accounting for those who use the symbology of the confederacy today for reasons that are shameful, I don’t know what to tell you. I don’t like it, but there’s nothing I can do about it, but there are plenty of decent people with sympathy for the confederacy. Doesn’t mean they support slavery today. There are lots of other reasons one could have such sympathy.
First, as already mentioned, slavery was certainly a moral evil, and slavery was a major issue of the time, but what was the Union’s response regarding slavery? Did an amendment to protect slavery not pass the house and senate after several states had already seceded and before the invasion? Can you post what that amendment said and which states’ representatives voted for it? What about the President responsible for the invasion? What did he say in his first inaugural address about his and the government’s authority over slavery and in a private letter in the middle of the war regarding slavery and the purpose of war? Can you post those quotes? Is invasion and total war for political subjugation a moral good?
I don’t love everything my government or fellow citizens do, in fact I hate a lot of it, but if a foreign people invade, I’ll be fighting for my home, I don’t care what reason they’re invading for. But if you answer the questions above, the reason for invasion looks a lot less righteous.
And as far as accounting for those who use the symbology of the confederacy today for reasons that are shameful, I don’t know what to tell you. I don’t like it, but there’s nothing I can do about it, but there are plenty of decent people with sympathy for the confederacy. Doesn’t mean they support slavery today. There are lots of other reasons one could have such sympathy.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 4:10 pm to SCLibertarian
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A country that exports war all over the world. A country that kills brown women and children by the thousands with drone strikes ordered by faceless bureaucrats thousands of miles away. A country that spies on its own citizens while arresting and imprisoning those who expose it. A country that celebrates the murder of hundreds of thousands of unborn children every year. A country that tells children a man can have a vagina and a woman can have a penis. There's so much to be proud of.
Maybe you should leave America if you don’t like it here? America isn’t for everyone.
Go to a country that allows slavery, pedophilia or whatever other sick ‘libertarian’ fantasies you have.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 4:13 pm to Burt Reynolds
Given your ideology, you'd fit right in with the Chinese. The Hong Kong protesters are traitors right, since they want autonomy and secession from the Chinese government? Is Xi your idol like Grant and Sherman?
Posted on 7/10/21 at 4:14 pm to thejuiceisloose
Destroying history and its statues of significant figures seems like something the Taliban would do or maybe communist revisionists.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 4:15 pm to Burt Reynolds
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pedophilia
That’s what your people are pushing. With those drag queen story hours, and talk about how it’s “normal”.
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Maybe you should leave America if you don’t like it here? America isn’t for everyone.
We’ve gone, full circle.
So are we allowed to leave, not?
This post was edited on 7/10/21 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 7/10/21 at 4:16 pm to Burt Reynolds
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Go to a country that allows slavery, pedophilia or whatever other sick ‘libertarian’ fantasies you have.
But aren’t you a Democratic Marxist? As one, logic would dictate that you approve of all of these things. Your “dismissal” seems more like a personal invitation from the Biden’s.
This is a weird flex from you.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 4:35 pm to Burt Reynolds
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Yes, slavery kinda matters.
Communists love slavery to death. Otherwise they wouldn't have built so many slave labor camps for opponents to be worked to death.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 4:51 pm to Auburn1968
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Communists love slavery to death. Otherwise they wouldn't have built so many slave labor camps for opponents to be worked to death.
The “road of bones” is something Burt may appreciate:
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the 1,250-mile-long Kolyma Road in Siberia built by the Gulag workers under Stalin. Around 250,000 people are thought to have died during the construction of the Yakutsk-Magadan highway.
Commies are going to do commie things.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 5:04 pm to Lima Whiskey
If the GOP was honest with themselves, they would come to understand that Abe Lincoln was a genocidal tyrant that was the father of the monstrous blob we know today as the American federal government. He sent half a million human beings to die a violent bloody death to keep a ragtag band of states together.
And then promptly disown their founder like democrats have done with Andrew Jackson.
Embarrassing that a tyrant was the first GOP President. He got what he deserved at the play.
And then promptly disown their founder like democrats have done with Andrew Jackson.
Embarrassing that a tyrant was the first GOP President. He got what he deserved at the play.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 6:16 pm to Sentrius
Do you remember who took the first shot?
Posted on 7/10/21 at 6:35 pm to Burt Reynolds
Tard
Posted on 7/10/21 at 6:39 pm to Sentrius
Lincoln created the Goliath we deal with today. I believe it was also the beginning of the oligarchy, and the end of the American experiment.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 7:11 pm to thejuiceisloose
This is another one of those things where the more information you look at surrounding it, the more understandable the confederacy becomes. The confederacy literally fired first, but why did they fire? And what was the context prior? What was being said diplomatically and what did the US actually do?
Posted on 7/10/21 at 7:21 pm to Sip_Tyga
Don’t expect that DU tard to answer any of that honestly.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 7:58 pm to Lima Whiskey
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believe it was also the beginning of the oligarchy
An oligarchy can be a good thing under the right circumstances. If we have good elites that are patriotic, serves the citizenry and actively seeks to improve their lives, they’re fine and completely acceptable.
Examples include Henry Ford and Thomas Edison.
However, today’s elites only seeks to divide, gaslight and sell the American citizenry out to foreign powers in favor of profits from foreign lands and actively pushes misinformation that shits on the concept of America and western civilization. Therefore the oligarchy today is unacceptable.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 8:07 pm to Sentrius
I wonder if the poster Burt Reynolds can chime in about the Charlottesville folks removing the Lewis and Clark and Sacagawea statue. Are they traitors as well?
This post was edited on 7/10/21 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 7/10/21 at 8:17 pm to SCLibertarian
I love that statue, the one at Ridge, and Main Street.
It depicts Lewis and Clark, standing tall, with Sacajawea bent down at their side. As if for protection.
There’s no scenario where it survives.
It depicts Lewis and Clark, standing tall, with Sacajawea bent down at their side. As if for protection.
There’s no scenario where it survives.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 8:27 pm to SCLibertarian
As long it’s not statues of confederate DEMONRATS, IDGAF!!1
Posted on 7/10/21 at 8:28 pm to Sentrius
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An oligarchy can be a good thing under the right circumstances. If we have good elites that are patriotic, serves the citizenry and actively seeks to improve their lives, they’re fine and completely acceptable.
I think there’s a values problem there. A merchant or an industrialist, doesn’t have the moral framework to lead society. The very thing that made you rich, your ruthlessness and your willingness to step on people, makes you a poor steward of society.
At the very least, I think that describes the problem with our current leadership.
It feels like they have have gone to war against the average American. And they seem to be doing everything in their power to break their will and impoverish them. The people have become the states biggest enemy.
I wonder if this is tribal though? These people aren’t related to us, they don’t share our culture, or our faith. Is that whats happening?
I don’t know.
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