re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

Note that Burgum mentions late in this clip that nations like Russia and Iran have been funding anti energy groups. We have known this for over 15 years that at least Russia funded anti "fracking" and ant "tar sands" "environmental" groups.



We also know that Russia funded anti fracking the massive tight shale formation in France and Germany. Germany had been using hydraulic fracturing for other deposits for well over a decade

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It seems there is almost universal agreement in this thread that Putin is really incapable of going any further. Or at least he will be by the time this war is over. I also agree with it..but strangely enough, I've seen many of you say Putin won't stop in Ukraine and that's why it's so imperative to help them..... Strange.

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Putin has ambitions beyond Ukraine. He lacks current capacity beyond Ukraine (aside from sabotage and frickery). Helping Ukraine deters Putin's taking further action on his ambitions. It's a containment strategy.

Putin is in his 70's and Russia won't be capable of acting on any aims until well after his death or at least his ousting

Exactly, you are way better than JB off Rag his cohorts.

We need someone to give the Russian version.

Absolutely it has. I think Europe has plenty of reason to intervene even if Russian invasion isn't a realistic threat to the vast majority of those contributing.

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Ah, the wait and see if Russia gets less nationalist/imperialist strategy

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Well for one, that's not what I said.

The discussions have been about Putin's aims, not Russia in general. I laid out why his aims are unrealistic at best if not completely irrelevant.

Now if you want to talk about Russian aims in the future, I've laid out multiple times in this thread and the old one about how we could be creating a monster worse than Putin that we have to deal with later in the future. But ultimately we just don't know what a post-Putin Russia will look like.

Given Russia's failures in Ukraine and the enormous toll paid, even if Russia ends up with desired outcomes in the end, it's likely sentiment inside Russia will look different than it did under Putin. Is that more realistic and dovish, recognizing their position? Or is that more hard-line and even more militaristic? Or somewhere in between? Or do they just collapse into several tiny corrupt countries? And what happens to the nuclear arsenal?

Saying "Russia will just continue to be imperialist" is an extremely simplistic way of looking at it, even if that possibility is one of the more likely ones. There is a TON up in the air right now.

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It seems there is almost universal agreement in this thread that Putin is really incapable of going any further. Or at least he will be by the time this war is over. I also agree with it..but strangely enough, I've seen many of you say Putin won't stop in Ukraine and that's why it's so imperative to help them..... Strange.

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The universal agreement goes beyond this thread. Most people with actual military expertise understand the issues the Russians are having while at the same time realize that Ukraine is gaining a lead in drone technology, financial backing, and increasing international support from a changing public opinion.

So why is it strange? Why is it strange to understand that the invading army is not only incompetent but also not going to stop, so when you say something like "Fewer people dying would also be pretty neat" (which is the only real 'virtue signaling' I've seen on this board) the only real way to accomplish that is to get punch Putin and his crappy military in the mouth and MAKE IT HURT.

Again - I see nothing to indicate that you realize or are willing to admit that the Russians are the ONLY REASON THIS WAR IS HAPPENING. The absolute only one. So until that problem is dealt with, this war continues and 'fewer people dying' is not possible.

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Saying "Russia will just continue to be imperialist" is an extremely simplistic way of looking at it, even if that possibility is one of the more likely ones. There is a TON up in the air right now.

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HORSESCHIT.

The Russian is plan is laid out in Aleksandr Dugin's stupid, neo-fascist work "The Foundations of Geopolitics,' which is basically a Russian Mein Kampf.
I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THIS READ FOR ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO UNDERSTAND THE RUSSIAN MINDSET RIGHT NOW.

NOTHING is up in the air right now as long as Putin is in charge - NOTHING. Their plan is as simple as can be and any attempt to argue any other flavor is nothing more than enabling a genocidal, homicidal, evil dictator.

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Try that again but with less incoherent, inaccurate rambling.

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Truth hurts. Some people obviously can't take it.

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The Russian is plan is laid out in Aleksandr Dugin's stupid, neo-fascist work "The Foundations of Geopolitics,' which is basically a Russian Mein Kampf.
I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THIS READ FOR ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO UNDERSTAND THE RUSSIAN MINDSET RIGHT NOW.

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If you just read Russian history, this is basically a new version of the Russian mindset ingrained for centuries now, it's hardwired. It really doesn't differ from the Arabic word Harb, meaning war. To Islam, war is everywhere not under Islamic rule. Meanwhile, peace is wherever Islam rules.