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re: Knowing what you know now, how did Floyd die?

Posted on 8/17/20 at 7:24 pm to
Posted by ApexTiger
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 7:24 pm to
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So again, what exactly is a healthy dosage of THC, meth and fentanyl for a man suffering from heart disease?


excellent question
Posted by ApexTiger
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 7:26 pm to
Toxicology (see attached report for full details; testingperformed on antemortem blood specimens collected 5/25/20 at9:00 p.m. at HHC and on postmortem urine)A.

Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens:1.

Fentanyl 11 ng/mL2.

Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL3.

4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL4.

Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL5.

11-Hydroxy Delta-9 THC 1.2 ng/mL;Delta-9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL; Delta-9 THC 2.9 ng/mL6.

Cotinine positive7.

Caffeine positiveB.

Blood volatiles: negative for ethanol, methanol,isopropanol, or acetoneC.

Urine drug screen: presumptive positive for cannabinoids,amphetamines, and fentanyl/metaboliteD.

Urine drug screen confirmation: morphine (free) 86 ng/mL
Posted by HeadSlash
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 7:26 pm to
Drugs
Posted by AMS
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 7:27 pm to
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From his autospy report
Floyd

NECK:
Layer by layer dissection of the anterior strap muscles of the neck discloses no areas of contusion or hemorrhage withinthe musculature. The thyroid cartilage and hyoid bone areintact. The larynx is lined by intact mucosa. The thyroid issymmetric and red-brown, without cystic or nodular change. Thetongue is free of bite marks, hemorrhage, or other injuries.The cervical spinal column is palpably stable and free ofhemorrhage.




contusions wouldn't necesarily be consistent with slowly and consistently applied pressure. Because he wasn't struck hard enough to rupture vaculature doesnt mean enough pressure was applied to slowly compress to the point of aspyxiation.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 7:28 pm to
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so he had much less than recreational amount of meth and lower than the lowest dose of fentanyl in his blood.


Again, what is the healthy “recreational” dosage of drug toxicity for a man suffering from heart disease?

This post was edited on 8/17/20 at 7:32 pm
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 7:28 pm to
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This is a weird question.


It's one I ask a jury to know If I am defending the law officer who is being pinned for murder.


Posted by AMS
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 7:28 pm to
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Toxicology (see attached report for full details; testingperformed on antemortem blood specimens collected 5/25/20 at9:00 p.m. at HHC and on postmortem urine)A.

Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens:1.

Fentanyl 11 ng/mL2.

Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL3.

4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL4.

Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL5.

11-Hydroxy Delta-9 THC 1.2 ng/mL;Delta-9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL; Delta-9 THC 2.9 ng/mL6.

Cotinine positive7.

Caffeine positiveB.

Blood volatiles: negative for ethanol, methanol,isopropanol, or acetoneC.

Urine drug screen: presumptive positive for cannabinoids,amphetamines, and fentanyl/metaboliteD.

Urine drug screen confirmation: morphine (free) 86 ng/mL



correct. and none of those amounts are near overdose amounts. fentanyl in lower amounts of the lowest dose, meth in 3 orders smaller amounts than median recreational amounts.

ETA and an amount of THC that would test negative on most urine dip screens with cutoffs at 50ng.
This post was edited on 8/17/20 at 7:36 pm
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 7:29 pm to
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Floyd also suffered from heart disease


his death was also homicidal in nature. not natural causes.
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 7:35 pm to
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contusions wouldn't necesarily be consistent with slowly and consistently applied pressure. Because he wasn't struck hard enough to rupture vaculature doesnt mean enough pressure was applied to slowly compress to the point of aspyxiation.


ok, so if a man says he can't breathe fifteen times before the knee is applied to his neck. if the man said, I think I am going to die, I am claustrophobic, please let me lie down, let me out, i need to lie down, I can't feel my face, everything hurts"....these kinds of comments on audio

how do you prove or conclude the knee killed him? and how do you continue to support that drugs played no role in his bizarre behavior?

like I said early on, perspective is tricky... how many journalist said the officer had his hand his pocket "while he choking him out?"

that was a false, the officer had on black gloves and it's easy to see his left hand is resting on his thigh...(black or dark blue pants)

we were also told that Floyd didn't resist....

anyone with a brain knew he resisted and why he ended up on the opposite side of the police Vehicle in the street with his face pushed in the pavement..."calm down man! stop talking"
Posted by ApexTiger
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 7:36 pm to
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correct. and none of those amounts are near overdose amounts. fentanyl in lower amounts of the lowest dose, meth in 3 orders smaller amounts than median recreational amounts.


ok so it sounds like you're convinced the knee killed him

did you watch the police videos yes or no?

Posted by swolverine
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 7:42 pm to
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Posted by AMS
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 7:44 pm to
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ok so it sounds like you're convinced the knee killed him

did you watch the police videos yes or no?


you seem pretty convinced that it didn't. I saw the videos and it seems the most likely. 2 coroners disagree with you. 2 coroners ruled it was homicidal, (OD/heart attack would be accidental/natural cause). I posted info about his low level drug positives being well below simple recreational median levels no where near overdose levels.

it seems that your feelings from the only the video guide your perspective despite a slew of contradictory facts.
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 7:44 pm to
Stupid kills
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 7:46 pm to
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At this point, I’m all out of fricks to give for George Floyd.


well, it's frustrating we can't agree on what happened, even with video and audio evidence...

as someone said earlier, it's easy to fool someone, but almost impossible to convince them they were fooled
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 7:48 pm to
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Wasn’t there an autopsy?


Yes.

We don't believe all that fancy medical mumbo jumbo here on the poliboard, though.

It doesn't fit the narrative.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 7:49 pm to
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Did you read the original Toxicology report?

it supports what we saw in the police cam videos



So let’s assume he didn’t stand on his neck for 8 minutes, would Floyd be alive?
Posted by CheEngineer
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 7:50 pm to
Death due to excited delirium brought on by drug use heart conditions and stress of being arrested and restrained.
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
Member since Jan 2009
38370 posts
Posted on 8/17/20 at 7:50 pm to
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well, it's frustrating we can't agree on what happened, even with video and audio evidence...



Most people agree. So will a jury.

Others have convinced themselves that he overdosed because they're too pissed off at the riots and backlash to think without emotions.

It's a weird hill to die on for anyone, honestly. The video/autopsy is plain as day no matter how you feel about the fallout.
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6534 posts
Posted on 8/17/20 at 7:51 pm to
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as someone said earlier, it's easy to fool someone, but almost impossible to convince them they were fooled



from the guy that refuses to acknowledge the fact that the lab work showed significantly lower than recreational level of drugs much less OD amounts, yet still believes it was OD related. especially when Floyd's behavior was no where near expectations of overdose and 2 profesional coroners that determined it was homicidal in nature.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 7:51 pm to
So why did the cop need to kneel on his neck?

The thing about people ODing on fentanyl, they don’t really put up a fight.
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