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Just how dangerous is Iran's military capability?
Posted on 5/13/19 at 5:00 am
Posted on 5/13/19 at 5:00 am
I expect that our forces will take some hits in the Gulf and that area if we are attacked there, but are our carrier groups really very vulnerable to massive losses? I really don't know. I would expect that a retaliatory attack on our part would be significant, to say the least? I sure hope it doesn't come down to this, but at what point is "enough is enough'?
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Posted on 5/13/19 at 5:40 am to BFIV
Iran cannot take on a carrier group head to head.
Their threat is small unit attacks against soft targets and isolated front units. Also they are behind most of the terrorist and bad actors in the area.
But golden BBs do occur.
Their threat is small unit attacks against soft targets and isolated front units. Also they are behind most of the terrorist and bad actors in the area.
But golden BBs do occur.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 5:57 am to BFIV
On a scale of 1-10, about a 4. Defensively, the IIAF have a smattering of newer Russian and very old Western equipment still in use from the 70's. Army is the largest in the region, but lacking the training and support of even the smaller, but better trained Gulf Regional Armies. The Navy is the most modern of the branches, with newer Russian and Chinese surface and submarines. I would expect if Iran tried anything stupid, it would be to throw everything behind a coordinated attack on Allied surface vessels in the Gulf, specifically the MEU with ships crammed full of Marines. But without Russian or Chinese intervention it would be the last thing the Islamic Republic would ever do. The response from Allied Forces would be quick and brutal.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 6:10 am to BFIV
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Just how dangerous is Iran's military capability?
I'm pretty sure they could take the "Boy" Scouts easily but the Salvation Army would take them.
This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 7:44 am
Posted on 5/13/19 at 6:14 am to BFIV
Iran’s dangerous because they can cause severe economic pain on US. They can shut down the Strait of Hormuz and send oil prices soaring. They don’t have to sink our carriers just enough ships to make it unsafe.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 6:17 am to TOKEN
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They can shut down the Strait of Hormuz and send oil prices soaring
Under previous POTUSs I agree; Trump would have the military sink their shite with quickness
Posted on 5/13/19 at 6:17 am to TOKEN
We are a net exporter of oil, which means we would make bank if that happens. It’s not like it used to be....
Posted on 5/13/19 at 6:22 am to TOKEN
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They can shut down the Strait of Hormuz and send oil prices soaring.
Not really a big deal anymore, we are exporting oil.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 6:25 am to TOKEN
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hey can shut down the Strait of Hormuz and send oil prices soaring. They don’t have to sink our carriers just enough ships to make it unsafe.
And how long do you think that would last?
Posted on 5/13/19 at 6:37 am to 14&Counting
Ships essaying the transit do so while constantly under the shadow of Iranian shore-based anti-ship weaponry such as cruise missiles and tactical aircraft, not to mention swarms of small surface combatants fielded by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. The Islamic Republic’s modest fleets of minelayers and Russian-built Kilo-class diesel submarines further compound the problem.
Moreover, Even after exiting the Strait, inbound vessels must pass within easy reach of Abu Musa and the Tunb Islands, which are claimed both by Iran and the United Arab Emirates but are under Iranian military control.
In short, this is a setting tailor-made for an inferior local power such as the Islamic Republic to mount an effective access- or area-denial strategy—making trouble for local antagonists and powerful outsiders if not prevailing outright. In light of the forbidding surroundings, then, a U.S.-Iran war wouldn’t be a naval war at all in the strict sense of the term. There would be no open-ocean rumble pitting roughly symmetrical battle fleets against each other. Nor does Iran need the wherewithal for such an engagement in order to accomplish its goals.
Guerrilla warfare, not the traditional sea fight, makes a better analogy for Iranian maritime strategy. Iranian defenders will concentrate asymmetric firepower and effort at the narrowest and most convoluted points in the Strait, where an enemy’s whereabouts are known in advance, targeting is easy, and escape is hard. They will harry oncoming vessels with mines, missiles, and torpedoes as they approach the critical juncture and after they pass by, if they do. But the most confined waters on the nautical chart represent the likeliest battlegrounds.
So, don’t make the mistake of comparing force structures and concluding that the U.S. Navy would steamroller the Iranian armed forces by dint of its total number of warships, aircraft, and armaments. A mere fraction of U.S. maritime forces will square off against the combined might of the Iranian military, including not just seagoing forces but shore-based fire support.
Moreover, Even after exiting the Strait, inbound vessels must pass within easy reach of Abu Musa and the Tunb Islands, which are claimed both by Iran and the United Arab Emirates but are under Iranian military control.
In short, this is a setting tailor-made for an inferior local power such as the Islamic Republic to mount an effective access- or area-denial strategy—making trouble for local antagonists and powerful outsiders if not prevailing outright. In light of the forbidding surroundings, then, a U.S.-Iran war wouldn’t be a naval war at all in the strict sense of the term. There would be no open-ocean rumble pitting roughly symmetrical battle fleets against each other. Nor does Iran need the wherewithal for such an engagement in order to accomplish its goals.
Guerrilla warfare, not the traditional sea fight, makes a better analogy for Iranian maritime strategy. Iranian defenders will concentrate asymmetric firepower and effort at the narrowest and most convoluted points in the Strait, where an enemy’s whereabouts are known in advance, targeting is easy, and escape is hard. They will harry oncoming vessels with mines, missiles, and torpedoes as they approach the critical juncture and after they pass by, if they do. But the most confined waters on the nautical chart represent the likeliest battlegrounds.
So, don’t make the mistake of comparing force structures and concluding that the U.S. Navy would steamroller the Iranian armed forces by dint of its total number of warships, aircraft, and armaments. A mere fraction of U.S. maritime forces will square off against the combined might of the Iranian military, including not just seagoing forces but shore-based fire support.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 6:42 am to Strannix
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Not really a big deal anymore, we are exporting oil.
But our allies are dependent on oil coming out the Strait of Hormuz. It’s not as simple as the US selling oil at a 200% mark up.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 6:42 am to TOKEN
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TOKEN
Did you write that or is it from an article?
Posted on 5/13/19 at 6:56 am to TOKEN
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But our allies are dependent on oil coming out the Strait of Hormuz. It’s not as simple as the US selling oil at a 200% mark up.
The “allies” we basically completely underwrite the defense of as they give their nations away to third world immigrants and mooslems?
Posted on 5/13/19 at 6:59 am to BFIV
The US won’t just send its carrier groups into the strait. They will likely patrol just out of reach of Iran’s anti ship missiles and collect electronic surveillance as Iran constantly monitors and targets targets in the region.
The intel will provide the US with targets of its own and the best course of action to take if electronic jamming is needed.
The US would target Iran’s monitoring infrastructure with cruise missiles and stealth aircraft, and then would proceed to target their launching capabilities.
Meanwhile US submarine destroyers would likely quickly pinpoint Iran’s diesel subs and sink them.
Iran’s air force wouldn’t make a dent. They may not get any jets off the ground.
The carrier groups would only come into the region when Iran’s ability to attack was greatly diminished.
The intel will provide the US with targets of its own and the best course of action to take if electronic jamming is needed.
The US would target Iran’s monitoring infrastructure with cruise missiles and stealth aircraft, and then would proceed to target their launching capabilities.
Meanwhile US submarine destroyers would likely quickly pinpoint Iran’s diesel subs and sink them.
Iran’s air force wouldn’t make a dent. They may not get any jets off the ground.
The carrier groups would only come into the region when Iran’s ability to attack was greatly diminished.
This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 7:02 am
Posted on 5/13/19 at 7:00 am to Strannix
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The “allies” we basically completely underwrite the defense of as they give their nations away to third world immigrants and mooslems?
They won’t care when prices on energy double. It’s time for you to live in reality for a minute.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 7:05 am to TOKEN
Iran isn't shutting down the straight of hormuz. That shite would get obliterated in 24 hrs.
Stop watching CNN.
Stop watching CNN.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 7:06 am to Eli Goldfinger
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The carrier groups would only come into the region when Iran’s ability to attack was greatly diminished.
Agree, although Trump places a carrier in gulfs vicinity. I think Trump wants to bait Iran but realize in 2002, during the exercise “Millennium Challenge,” U.S. Marine lieutenant general Paul Van Riper, playing the red team, pummeled a U.S. Navy carrier task force by deploying the resources at Tehran’s disposal imaginatively.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 7:06 am to TOKEN
quote:How long into a conflict would support facilities for those assets survive? 12 hours? 24. MAYBE 36?
Ships essaying the transit do so while constantly under the shadow of Iranian shore-based anti-ship weaponry such as cruise missiles and tactical aircraft, not to mention swarms of small surface combatants fielded by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. The Islamic Republic’s modest fleets of minelayers and Russian-built Kilo-class diesel submarines further compound the problem.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 7:07 am to bamarep
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Iran isn't shutting down the straight of hormuz. That shite would get obliterated in 24 hrs.
Stop watching CNN.
I haven’t turned on the TV in 2 months.
The question is could they disrupt oil supply. Probably
Posted on 5/13/19 at 7:09 am to TOKEN
No
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