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Posted on 10/21/24 at 10:22 pm to
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 10/21/24 at 10:22 pm to
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I trust that this is sufficient proof of your moral bankruptcy.
It isn't sufficient of a "moral bankruptcy" that you have no rational way to even define or measure.

You said that I "[delight] in the eternal torture of others" when I do not.

I can praise God for His goodness and justice without delighting in what happens to humans as the result of His goodness and justice. Just as God does not take pleasure in the destruction of the wicked (Ez. 33:11), I also do not take pleasure in the torture of the wicked. I can praise God in it, but not enjoy it.

I will take no pleasure in your everlasting torture for your treason against God, even if I can praise God for His justice in it.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
3397 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 7:04 am to
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It isn't sufficient of a "moral bankruptcy"

Yes it is. You believe the most sick, depraved, and heinous actions are justified and “good”. That makes you an immoral person.

For instance, you believe that punishing the sons for the sins of the father is justified. You believe King David gathered up the 7 sons of King Saul and crucified them on a cliff to alleviate blood guilt and to stop a famine caused by Yahweh (blood guilt said to be the responsibility of Saul but that happened in the days of the Judges). But you believe killing those 7 innocent sons of Saul to atone for the sins of Israel and King Saul is justified and “good”. And you are obtuse in your lack of acknowledgement that in that instance it was human sacrifice acceptance by Yahweh. You believe horrific things are “good” and you are a horrible liar. So that makes you an immoral person.

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that you have no rational way to even define or measure.

It’s very rational and easy to identify. Just stop it with the objective standard bullshite. Even if there was a god, there is still no objective standard because there’s nothing objective about the Bible. If rape is sometimes bad and sometimes good, it isn’t objective. If slavery is sometimes bad… oh shite it is always good in the Bible - bad example. If punishing the sons for the sins of the father is sometimes bad and sometimes good, it isn’t objective. If sacrificing children to the bloodthirsty Yahweh is sometimes bad but sometimes good, it isn’t objective. If the killing of innocent babies is sometimes bad and sometimes good like it is in the Bible, then there’s no objectivity in it. Your “standard” is pure shite plain and simple, and isn’t objective. You can’t even say “doing whatever Yahweh says” is “good” in your standard. King David did EXACTLY what Yahweh said when he told him to conduct a census… and that was… BAD!

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You said that I "[delight] in the eternal torture of others" when I do not.

I don’t believe you. We all know you believe God is good, that he has a perfect plan, and that perfect plan includes creating people who he knows will not be saved and will be tormented eternally in hell. That’s very irresponsible and very fricked up. But you believe that Yahweh knowingly creating people with 100% chance of them going to hell before their brains are even developed in the womb is justified and good. Sorry, but you are sick and need help.

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Just as God does not take pleasure in the destruction of the wicked (Ez. 33:11)

Yahweh is a killing machine. One can only assume that he kills so many innocent children and babies because he enjoys it. I choose to judge “Yahweh” by his actions instead of what “Ezekiel” says about his personality. You might have heard this little saying - Actions speak louder than words.

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I also do not take pleasure in the torture of the wicked. I can praise God in it, but not enjoy it.

I can imagine your prayer - “Dear God, thank you for creating people that you know before they are born will be cast by you into torturous eternal hellfire. You are glorious and awesome! Amen”

You didn’t answer my question about my invisible friend, Bob, who has super powers. He wants to be your friend. Will you accept his friendship?
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45848 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 9:44 am to
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Yes it is.
No it's not. You use the word "immoral" and "sick", "depraved", and "heinous" when you have no objective standard for using such words.

You reject God, therefore your morality is whatever you feel is right in your own eyes. You have abandoned all rational ability to make meaningful moral judgements against God or anyone else because you've turned morality into an opinion.

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I don’t believe you.
Not surprising. You've shown a propensity to reject the truth
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
3397 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 2:22 pm to
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you have no objective standard for using such words.

Neither do you. There are other types of standards. Objective standards are not the only type of standards. Are you stupid or something? Did you read anything I typed?

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You reject God

Are you going to be Bob’s friend? Will you accept my invisible friend, Bob, who does magic, as a friend? Can you answer a simple question?
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45848 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 3:00 pm to
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Neither do you. There are other types of standards. Objective standards are not the only type of standards. Are you stupid or something? Did you read anything I typed?
God provides the only possible objective standard for us.

If you reject God, you reject the possibility (as well as the reality) of objectivity in morality.

Because your standard of morality is definitionally subjective, you have no basis for making meaningful moral judgements. You saying anything is "immoral", "sick", "depraved", and "heinous" is nothing more than emoting and expressing how something makes you feel personally. That has no correspondence to moral truth because it can't in your worldview.

The issue isn't that you have a subjective standard, but that you act as if morality is objective in how you speak about it. You are inconsistent.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
3397 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 3:28 pm to
You didn’t answer my question about my invisible friend, Bob, who has super powers. He wants to be your friend. Will you accept his friendship?
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45848 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 3:29 pm to
According to your own professed worldview, there's no reason for me to answer any question of yours. There's no point to this life and there's certainly no true "right" and "wrong".
Posted by TN Tygah
Member since Nov 2023
7837 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 3:30 pm to
I agree that it would be running 24/7 if Trump said that (he wouldn’t) but I don’t think she was saying this because Christians aren’t welcome, it’s probably because she knew it was a troll
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
42314 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 3:50 pm to
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You reject God


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Are you going to be Bob’s friend? Will you accept my invisible friend, Bob, who does magic, as a friend?


Nice deflection.

Just say that you hate God and call it a day.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
3397 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 4:32 pm to
Bob just wants to know if you will accept him as your friend. He wants to have a personal relationship with you. It’s almost like you don’t want to be his friend.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
3397 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 7:37 pm to
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Nice deflection. Just say that you hate God and call it a day.

I am beginning to think he hates my invisible friend Bob. There’s other reason for Foo to reject Bob. He must hate Bob. Bob just wants ti have a relationship with Foo. I know that because Bob told me so.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
42314 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 8:48 pm to
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Nice deflection. Just say that you hate God and call it a day.


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I am beginning to think he hates my invisible friend Bob. There’s other reason for Foo to reject Bob. He must hate Bob. Bob just wants ti have a relationship with Foo. I know that because Bob told me so.


More deflection.

Nice.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
3397 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 10:00 pm to
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More deflection.

Not sure if serious
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