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Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:56 pm to Dale51
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under the control of the consumer.
This is not necessarily true
And functioning in the modern world without internet is a very difficult proposition
Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:56 pm to hawgfaninc
Let me get this straight.You actually think NN repeal is good for a free market and competition? 
Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:57 pm to CptBengal
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But there is.
In many places this is not true
Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:57 pm to Greace
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Some people dont have that option. In fact lots dont
Some people do, in fact lots do. For example, i switched internet providers last week. Much easier to switch providers than have the government do anything efficiently and effectively. You ever call your local or state government for a service? I'll stick with the guy who's business is dependent on keeping me happy.
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:57 pm to CptBengal
There isnt always. I know plenty of people who have to pay to have a line ran to their house so they can get internet in the first place.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:58 pm to Greace
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There isnt always. I know plenty of people who have to pay to have a line ran to their house so they can get internet in the first place.
ATT ran the lines for free. Many companies don't charge because they make their money on subscription fees than service calls
Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:59 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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In many places this is not true
Seems like ripe picking for an entrepreneur, no?
Posted on 12/14/17 at 5:00 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:Dude, wireless carriers are also ISPs.
No it doesn’t. Even if Say Comcast decides to just block Netflix couldn’t i use a wireless carrier? Not everyone would just block site randomly. Netflix offers original content there is no more business reason for Comcast or AT&T or whoever to just block that than for them to block ESPN or HBO.
And ISPs are not going to randomly block sites because they can. They are going to control content so that they can make more money. You do this by essentially limiting the exposure of "mom-and-pop" websites in favor of income generating and data collecting websites, which gives the e-commerce giants like Amazon a big leg up over the smaller retailers.
They can also push a political agenda and/or require consumers to pay additional fees to access certain content. There really aren't any benefits for the consumer in all of this.
ISPs generally suck and operate in monopolies in many markets. I'm not sure why giving them more power can be considered a good thing.
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 12/14/17 at 5:00 pm to BugAC
Yeah you go run internet lines. And see if you have enough cash to setup an ISP
Posted on 12/14/17 at 5:01 pm to BugAC
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Seems like ripe picking for an entrepreneur, no?
Definitely, If the infrastructure and laws were not cost prohibitive. See Google Fiber.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 5:01 pm to Greace
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Yeah buddy. You get rid of the internet and tell me how it goes for you
I have no actual connection to any of this bullshite. It's no more than passive entertainment to me. The truth be told, if it went away, I honestly may think..."Good. Now I have more time for things that actually matter in life." Think what you will, but that is the truth.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 5:01 pm to Greace
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Yeah you go run internet lines. And see if you have enough cash to setup an ISP
Startup costs are a bitch for every company in every industry. Gotta break some eggs to make an omelette. At least we have that option as a free market to take those risks. Or we just let government run everything, we've seen how well that works out.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 5:02 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Definitely, If the infrastructure and laws were not cost prohibitive. See Google Fiber.
That's interesting. So you want the same government that create these prohibitive laws, as you claim, that hinder ISP startups, to have a heavy hand in ISP's via net neutrality?
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 12/14/17 at 5:03 pm to Yak
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, but if that's your only option, you are still screwed.
How???
Posted on 12/14/17 at 5:03 pm to BugAC
quote:Don't equate basic, common sense legislation with the government controlling everything. That's a false equivalency. And do you really trust ISPs, many of whom operate monopolies?
Startup costs are a bitch for every company in every industry. Gotta break some eggs to make an omelette. At least we have that option as a free market to take those risks. Or we just let government run everything, we've seen how well that works out.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 5:04 pm to BugAC
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Or we just let government run everything, we've seen how well that works out.
Saying government regulation is never the answer is just as myopic and absurd as saying government regulation is always the answer
Posted on 12/14/17 at 5:05 pm to Dale51
quote:Because it's your only choice...
How???
Posted on 12/14/17 at 5:06 pm to BugAC
quote:A lot of regulation/legislation sucks. Net neutrality was one good piece of legislation that should have bipartisan support. Abolishing it doesn't do much to reduce the government's influence. It's just a "favor" to ISPs that they spend quite a lot of time and money to gain.
That's interesting. So you want the same government that create these prohibitive laws, as you claim, that hinder ISP startups, to have a heavy hand in ISP's via net neutrality?
Posted on 12/14/17 at 5:06 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Ah okay. So just because something hasn't happened that mean it won't happen.
No. You're confused. You seem to be implying that it will happen. I dont' believe that. Might/ happen?...maybe..maybe not.
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