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re: Israel recalls its ambassadors from U.K. and USA because of un vote
Posted on 12/25/16 at 4:51 pm to goldennugget
Posted on 12/25/16 at 4:51 pm to goldennugget
Go back a couple of millenia and figure it out!
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Posted on 12/25/16 at 4:51 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Interesting how he ignored their plight for 2500 years and then we give him the credit for what the UN did in the 1940s.
It's almost like the covenant in the Old Testament is null and void and there is a new covenant in its place that revolves around Jesus's death and not Abraham's blood covenant in Genesis.
Posted on 12/25/16 at 4:52 pm to conservativewifeymom
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Agreed! Israel is the only reliable, albeit not perfect, ally the US has in that part of the world. If the Palestinians want land, they can claim some in the rest of the Arab world, there is certainly plenty there. They don't need the tiny sliver that is Israel.
In what way is Israel reliable?
Posted on 12/25/16 at 4:52 pm to conservativewifeymom
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Go back a couple of millenia and figure it out!
So Israel and UN was perfectly within its rights to steal the land from the Palestinians because of something that happened 2000 years ago?
Posted on 12/25/16 at 4:52 pm to goldennugget
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Just so happened this church I went to was affiliated with this organization called Eagle's Wings Ministries. The organization was basically one giant ultra pro-Israel Christian ministry. Hmmmmm. I wonder if any money exchanged hands here. Hmmmm. I wonder if Eagle's Wings Ministries gets any funding from any groups or special interests. Hmmmm.
It's a very deep network of propagandists in the evangelical community. A LOT of money flying around. Its not hard to see it either.
Of course we are just Anti semites so what do we know?
Posted on 12/25/16 at 4:52 pm to MrCarton
I'll come up with links when you can come up with links of the Arabs' 'reliability.' Let's see, are they doing much to condemn and fight ISIS?!?! Just for starters.
Posted on 12/25/16 at 4:53 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Interesting how he ignored their plight for 2500 years and then we give him the credit for what the UN did in the 1940s
I take it you don't read scripture much. It was His people who ignored him and the UN thingy was not His doing
Posted on 12/25/16 at 4:54 pm to goldennugget
Where was the Temple?! When did the Palestinians get there? And why exactly do they claim that tiny sliver of land when there is so much elsewhere in the Arab world?!?!
Posted on 12/25/16 at 4:55 pm to RedRifle
What is with the delusion of this board?
I wish for nothing more than a healthy, strong Israel & the total destruction of Palestine & all accompanying Muslim nations. They are incompatible with the world & need to be eradicated.
I wish for nothing more than a healthy, strong Israel & the total destruction of Palestine & all accompanying Muslim nations. They are incompatible with the world & need to be eradicated.
Posted on 12/25/16 at 4:56 pm to MrCarton
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It's a very deep network of propagandists in the evangelical community. A LOT of money flying around. Its not hard to see it either.
I left that church because of its association with Eagles Wings.
They would come to our church and recruit kids out of high school/college to go be "interns" for Eagles Wings. AKA unpaid slaves. I was friends with a guy who went to go be an intern for them for a year. His intern work basically consisted of shite like cleaning bathrooms, mopping floors, washing dishes, cooking for the staff, and other grunt work. 6 days a week, day would start around 7:00am and they wouldn't be done until about 10:00pm, sometimes later. So 90 hour work weeks, for free! Actually it wasn't free - they even had to pay for their room and board($500 a month). So they had to PAY for the "privilege" to do this. I asked why he would do that shite for free and his answer was basically "I am laying a year of my life for the Lord and Israel!". Shame.
frick you, Robert Sterns. I hope you see this. "Unpaid Interns" so you don't have to pay people to do basic housekeeping so you can have higher profit margins. You give Christians a bad name, a-hole.
Posted on 12/25/16 at 4:58 pm to conservativewifeymom
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I'll come up with links when you can come up with links of the Arabs' 'reliability.' Let's see, are they doing much to condemn and fight ISIS?!?! Just for starters.
What if I told you...
...it was our involvement in the Middle East, a lot of which involved cleaning up Israel's messes, that caused the likes of ISIS to form...
There is even a theory out there that ISIS is a fake operation used to justify America and other Western Countries never-ending involvement in the middle east and fear monger the average citizen into supporting military operations.
Posted on 12/25/16 at 4:58 pm to HeauxBeaux
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I take it you don't read scripture much.
I've read the thing cover to cover three times in my life, the majority of which was spent as a Christian (albeit not one who supported Israel).
The fact of the matter is, since Babylon buttfricked their nation (which history shows us was grossly exaggerated in scale by the Bible) they've been the planet's whipping post for 2.5 millennia and the ONLY entity that has EVER actively protected their status as an independent nation since is the United States. We did for them what God seemed unable to.
Posted on 12/25/16 at 5:01 pm to Roger Klarvin
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We did for them what God seemed unable to.
Why would God even protect Israel to this day? They rejected God incarnate(Jesus) and even had him killed, just so they could hold onto their power and traditions.
Posted on 12/25/16 at 5:02 pm to conservativewifeymom
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'll come up with links when you can come up with links of the Arabs' 'reliability.' Let's see, are they doing much to condemn and fight ISIS?!?! Just for starters.
We created ISIS. We created the power vacuum that allowed their rise. They are using our weapons, our training techniques, our oil money funneled through back channels, etc.
Posted on 12/25/16 at 5:02 pm to conservativewifeymom
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'll come up with links when you can come up with links of the Arabs' 'reliability.'
Jordan and UAE provide special operations troops to the US effort in Afghanistan. One of the largest training facilities in the region is owned by the Jordanians, who allow the US to conduct operations from that base, even when doing so makes them a target for terrorism. 3 green berets were recently killed by terrorists at one of these facilities. Syria tortured Canadian and US citizens at an off the books black site at tue US request. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Kuwait all have enormous military airfields and bases that have been used by the us military and intelligence communities to invade Iraq 3 times, Afghanistan, and Syria. Iraqi Kurdistan has been a base of operations for US forces sinxe the 90s. Turkey has two massive bases, one a permanent duty station assignment for US forces to operate a massive airfield where we stsge aircraft and weapons, and conduct counter ISIL operations. .ll The counter ISIL efforts in Iraq are supported from airfields in Qatar, while counter ISIL efforts in Jordan and Syria are conducted in Jordan.
I'm just getting started. we haven't covered Yemen or lebanon or Egypt yet.
You are just parroting nonsense dear, I implore you to actually seek out information on this topic instead of just believing what makes you comfortable.
EDIT: I am a former special operations soldier who worked in centcom his entire career. If you want the real scoop on US operations there just ask me.
This post was edited on 12/25/16 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 12/25/16 at 5:02 pm to goldennugget
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What angers me is that the troops we have to use to calm shite down come back to the US and get treated like shite with a shitty VA system, and many of which are out on the streets, and we don't help them out, meanwhile we continue to give foreign aid and money and such to Israel.
How can anyone say we should give funding to Israel instead of our own veterans is beyond me. Once we have our own vets taken care of then maybe we can consider sending more money Israel's way
In a thread full of stupid this one takes the cake. What does one have to do with the other. fricking idiots. There's another clown claiming every Arab Muslim state offers more. People get hysterical over this subject but I'm amazed at the stupidity in this thread.
Posted on 12/25/16 at 5:04 pm to Roger Klarvin
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We did for them what God seemed unable to
That's where you're wrong. Israel ceased to exist as a nation for 2000 years yet it's name is mentioned in the end times. This was no accident
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I've read the thing cover to cover three times in my life
Reading and understanding are not the same
Posted on 12/25/16 at 5:04 pm to bencoleman
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In a thread full of stupid this one takes the cake. What does one have to do with the other. fricking idiots.
How is it stupid?
Why the frick should we, a country with massive debt, be giving money to other countries?
Especially when we have our own veterans dying in shitty, underfunded VA hospitals and unable to get the care they need?
frick you, thinking we should give tax money we don't have to foreign countries.
Posted on 12/25/16 at 5:06 pm to goldennugget
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Why would God even protect Israel to this day? They rejected God incarnate(Jesus) and even had him killed, just so they could hold onto their power and traditions.
I believe it's all Bronze Age nonsense. History strongly supports the position that the people we now call the Hebrews were polytheistic prior to the exile and much of the OT was written in hindsight drawing much from Babylonian religious traditions and turning Yahweh into the ONLY God. The flood story for instance is ripped almost entirely from a much older Babylonian fable.
I'm simply arguing from the believer's perpective. God didn't do dick for Israel for thousands of years.
Posted on 12/25/16 at 5:07 pm to MrCarton
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MrCarton
This was a great post. I am not a muslim apologist by any means, I think muslim terrorism is real and needs to be dealt with.
BUT.
I think a lot of the anti-muslim tripe is overblown. Most of the governments of said middle eastern muslim countries are good and just. They help us. They might have some bad nuts in their citizenry, hence Islamic terrorism, but it doesn't come from the top. Hell a lot of these terrorists are created by our own military and intervention blunders.
But this whole idea that the middle east is full of countries that have governments that are violent and terrorist lovers and unstable, and that therefore we must do all we can to support Israel because of that because they are the only just country in the region, is ridiculous.
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