re: Israel isn’t the cause of you problems you are just a poor dumbass

One is attacking the person rather than the argument. Mine is a conclusion based on his argument. Dems and Thomas Massie! Lions and tigers and bears. OH MY!!

See the difference?

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You just cant stop sucking massies dick long enough to see how many times he has went against the interest of the American people

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Like this time? Wanna go through it and see how many of your approved 'patriots' voted nay?

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They receive a little over $4b a year in weapon aid (not $ aid)

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bullshite. They receive money aid, a large part of which is annually deposited in accounts managed by the Federal Reserve.

I think they might still be the only nation that isn't required to spend it's aid on American companies, or at all. For everyone else, 'aid' is basically a mall gift card.

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350 attacks against U.S. soldiers.

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This shite again.

Yeah, I heard they had material for 11 nukes too, right?

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Here is how I view this. Obama , Biden and the democrats along with Rand Paul and Thomas Massie lifted sanctions on Iran and gave them billions of dollars.

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False.

That was Obama and John Kerry.

Massie was a vocal critic of the process and voted or spoke against it at every step of the way:
• He voted no on the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act (Corker-Cardin bill, H.R. 1191) in May 2015, which set up congressional review but effectively enabled the deal to proceed without a veto-proof disapproval.
• On the key resolution disapproving the JCPOA (H.R. 3461) in September 2015, he voted present—the only House member to do so and the sole Republican not voting against it. He explained this by arguing the agreement was constitutionally a treaty requiring 2/3 Senate approval, not something the House should “approve” or reject in this form.

You’re simply incorrect on that point.

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In turn Iran spent that money on weapons and funding Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis. They then used those weapons and terrorist proxies to attack U.S. soldiers 350 times, October 7th and Israel multiple times since, UAE, Oman and Saudi Arabia.

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We're in agreement, neither of us think Obama giving them money was a good idea.

I suspect it was actually treasonous with regard to John Kerry but that’s a separate point.

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Which makes this our problem, this is just another democrat mess we have to clean up.

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I don’t believe WE had to do anything if we didn’t want to.

Iran was a Shia counterbalance to the gulf states and a threat to Israel.

None of that requires us to get involved. If Israel wanted this they could’ve assassinated the ayatollah and partnered with the gulf states against them but that’s not what they want.

They want to be a regional hegemonic power in service of their longer term greater Israel project which the IDF wears patches of on their uniforms:


If you’d like to understand what the greater Israel project is it’s the area Mike Huckabee famously said Israel is entitled to in his interview with Tucker from the Nile to the Euphrates.

That’s their agenda and we’re acting in service of that against our own best interests.

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Yes the economy needs fixed and they are working on that but this also goes a long way in helping that as well.

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Please provide specifics on how attempting regime change without ground troops will work or benefit our domestic economy (ie create jobs)?

No US war since WW2 has done that and this won’t either.

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Iran supplies China 80% of their oil and Russia with most of their drones. So between Venezuela and Iran,

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This is the only pro-American outcome of a successful war with Iran.

IF we can achieve regime change.
And IF we can install a pro-American replacement.
And IF we can avoid civil war over there…

That would put China in a heavily leveraged situation while locking them out of access to oil except on our terms, the Middle East and western hemisphere if we can fix Canada, Brazil and Cuba. I'd argue there is a significant risk in that as China could view us as posing a strategic risk to their economic stability as the Japanese did pre-WW2 which precipitated Pearl Harbor, but that's down the road.

I don’t believe any of those predicates can happen without ground troops, which is why were already seeing the first steps towards that now:
-We’ve acknowledged special ops on the ground in Iran
-We’re sending in Iraqi/kurdish troops
-we’re now talking about sending in troops to secure the straits so shipping can resume

Unless we can subvert the Iranian army leadership ground troops will be required to effect anything beyond civil war in a nation with nuclear material floating around and a million man army.

Are you willing to send large scale US troops to achieve that outcome here?

If not how does a lesser outcome benefit the United States and justify our actions to date?

Zionists are the issue not Judaism itself. Your comment is exactly what they would want the goyim to say.

I don’t know how any Christian isn’t at least a little bit opposed to Judaism.

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That hasnt been true for 20 years

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Stop lying. Only some of the money is used for military spending. A large portion is annually deposited into Fed managed accounts.

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Stop lying. Only some of the money is used for military spending. A large portion is annually deposited into Fed managed accounts.

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Whats your sources? US officially stopped direct aid in 2007

Cucker & Candace are not valid sources

Wrong. They receive around 3 billion in weapons. They also have an agreement that anything they create in the way of military technology can not be sold and is only allowed to be used by Israel and the U.S. Want to guess who created the joint mounted helmet system. By the way the U.S. spends 100 billion annually to have bases in other countries all over the world but I dont see anyone bitching about that. Up until Trump the U.S. paid more into NATO to make up for countries that were not paying what they were contracted to. The U.S. pays the UN annually 770 million for regular budget, 1.35 billion for peace keeping and 5 to 12 billion in aid. Yet I do not see people complaining about that.