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Isn’t Medicaid essentially Universal Healthcare for poor folks

Posted on 9/28/20 at 7:11 pm
Posted by Tigahhs97
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Posted on 9/28/20 at 7:11 pm
Why the push for everyone to be on it??
Posted by Jrv2damac
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Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 9/28/20 at 7:12 pm to
Glad I'm never gonna use it

Sucks I've had to fund it my entire working life, though





This post was edited on 9/28/20 at 7:12 pm
Posted by jclem11
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Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 9/28/20 at 7:13 pm to
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Sucks I've had to fund it my entire working life, though


You pay Medicare taxes on your W-2 wages, not medicaid.
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 9/28/20 at 7:19 pm to
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You pay Medicare taxes on your W-2 wages, not medicaid.


And where do Medicaid dollars come from, Kreskin?
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
15415 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 7:23 pm to
Yes. Medicaid is Universal Healthcare for poor people that you pay for - with your taxes, and if you’re self employed with a portion of your health insurance premium that funds someone else’s “supplement.”

You also allegedly pay for your Medicare premium in advance of turning 65- but really you’re just paying for people that are over 65, many of whom also buy a supplement.
Posted by jimmarley
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Posted on 9/28/20 at 7:24 pm to
Not him, but Medicaid is funded by states.
Posted by longwayfromLA
NYC
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 9/28/20 at 7:24 pm to
quote:

Isn’t Medicaid essentially Universal Healthcare for poor folks
Why the push for everyone to be on it??


Is this a widely held policy position?
Posted by longwayfromLA
NYC
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 9/28/20 at 7:25 pm to
quote:

but Medicaid is funded by states.

This is half true.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 9/28/20 at 7:26 pm to
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Not him, but Medicaid is funded by states.


Oh. The states print money. I see.

(60% of state Medicaid Budgets come from FedGov. You’re welcome.)
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 9/28/20 at 7:27 pm to
quote:

Is this a widely held policy position?


Anyone who advocates for Medicare for all is unknowingly advocating for Medicaid for all.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 9/28/20 at 7:27 pm to
quote:

Is this a widely held policy position?



No, it is an obvious fact.
Posted by jclem11
Neoliberal Shill
Member since Nov 2011
7770 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 7:27 pm to
It's an important distinction. This dude was probably beating his chest about all them taxes he pays when in reality he has zero clue how much he has paid into Medicare in his life.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 9/28/20 at 7:28 pm to
It’s a completely unimportant distinction. Only an idiot would claim otherwise.
Posted by Manlaw35
Member since Jan 2013
1302 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 7:29 pm to
Medicaid does provide poor people healthcare to a certain extent. Many specialists will not take Medicaid; ie they will only except so many patients a year. So if you have a specific medical condition or need surgery you're likely SOL and will be waiting a while for treatment.
Posted by longwayfromLA
NYC
Member since Nov 2007
3331 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 7:32 pm to
quote:

No, it is an obvious fact.



It's an obvious fact that a large part of the body politic, described by you as "everyone", is pushing for it? Not really. You must run in very weird circles politically. Best I can tell this is nothing close to a consensus position in either party.
Posted by longwayfromLA
NYC
Member since Nov 2007
3331 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 7:33 pm to
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Anyone who advocates for Medicare for all is unknowingly advocating for Medicaid for all.


I think Medi-anything for all would fail for the exact same series of reasons, but I'm still curious what you mean by this.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111519 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 7:35 pm to
Medicaid sucks.
Medicare is supposedly awesome.

No one would get behind a “Medicaid for all” plan. So they pretend it would be “Medicare for all.”

But reimbursement would go off a cliff. Provider participation would crater.

And presto. You’ve got Medicaid for all.
Posted by Manlaw35
Member since Jan 2013
1302 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 7:37 pm to
quote:

Medicaid sucks.
Medicare is supposedly awesome.

No one would get behind a “Medicaid for all” plan. So they pretend it would be “Medicare for all.”

But reimbursement would go off a cliff. Provider participation would crater.

And presto. You’ve got Medicaid for all.



Good point. It probably would become Medicaid, which does suck.
However, Medicare is not awesome but it's better than Medicaid.
This post was edited on 9/28/20 at 7:39 pm
Posted by longwayfromLA
NYC
Member since Nov 2007
3331 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 7:40 pm to
quote:

No one would get behind a “Medicaid for all” plan. So they pretend it would be “Medicare for all.”

But reimbursement would go off a cliff. Provider participation would crater.

And presto. You’ve got Medicaid for all.


Best I can tell advocates are absolutely sincere about wanting the payments on the Medicare fee schedule. But most hospitals can't survive on the commercial rate for Medicare trade and you'll end up with the provider participation issue you describe. I don't think it ever gets to Medicaid for all. It fails when hospitals close all over the country in towns and small cities.
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