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Is Voting A Form Of Violence?

Posted on 7/25/21 at 12:29 pm
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 7/25/21 at 12:29 pm
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When you vote, you are exercising political authority, you're using force. And force my friends is violence. The supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived.


- Jean Rasczak

Does it strike anyone else as weird that we disenchranise felons but we're okay with all of our law-abiding neighbors exerting force with regards to how we should live?
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134845 posts
Posted on 7/25/21 at 12:32 pm to
Who?
Posted by BigJman
Member since May 2021
490 posts
Posted on 7/25/21 at 12:33 pm to
Yeah, we should have someone that by default makes all decisions for us without any input from my “law abiding neighbors” or myself. That way we aren’t being “violent” against one another.

For fricks sake…
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 7/25/21 at 12:33 pm to
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Who?


Don't even start.

Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48295 posts
Posted on 7/25/21 at 12:34 pm to
It’s not illogical argument and the reason we were founded as a Republic and not a democracy.
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 7/25/21 at 12:35 pm to
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Yeah, we should have someone that by default makes all decisions for us without any input from my “law abiding neighbors” or myself. That way we aren’t being “violent” against one another.


Can the role that government plays in organizing society be replaced by some form of anarchy implementing voluntary transactions?
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 7/25/21 at 12:37 pm to
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It’s not illogical argument and the reason we were founded as a Republic and not a democracy.



I hear this said a lot, but I think people are misuing the term "Republic" when they mean "representative democracy."

Republic refers to a government in which the Head of State is non-hereditary. That doesn't preclude a democratic form of government.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48295 posts
Posted on 7/25/21 at 12:38 pm to
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Republic refers to a government in which the Head of State is non-hereditary. That doesn't preclude a democratic form of government.


False
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 7/25/21 at 12:40 pm to
I'll cite the Merriam-Webster definition.

quote:

a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president


What's your source for your definition?
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19106 posts
Posted on 7/25/21 at 12:40 pm to
Mass voting is a consent ritual.

It's a ritual of submission to whoever runs the state.

Psychologically, you're surrending your autonomy, and agreeing to obey the rules that imposed on you from above.
This post was edited on 7/25/21 at 12:56 pm
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
53606 posts
Posted on 7/25/21 at 12:42 pm to
Voting could be a form of violence, but it is a lot less violent and bloody form than the communist coups we've seen in the past.

On second thought, that quote is just fricking stupid.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48295 posts
Posted on 7/25/21 at 12:43 pm to
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What's your source for your definition?


The Romans who first utilized it.

Res Publica = the public thing

Republics are systems of government where the law (the public thing) holds higher priority than the whims of any individual or collection of people (even a majority).

Republics have little do with who holds the executive power and everything to do with how the law is applied to everyone within its jurisdiction.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
53606 posts
Posted on 7/25/21 at 12:44 pm to
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Can the role that government plays in organizing society be replaced by some form of anarchy implementing voluntary transactions?

Sure, CHAZ did it perfectly in Seattle just last year.
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 7/25/21 at 12:44 pm to
Does that definition preclude a direct democracy?
Posted by BigJman
Member since May 2021
490 posts
Posted on 7/25/21 at 12:45 pm to
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Can the role that government plays in organizing society be replaced by some form of anarchy implementing voluntary transactions?


No. Could you provide a successful example of this?
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 7/25/21 at 12:46 pm to
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No. Could you provide a successful example of this?



Not to sound too "No True Scotsman" but has it ever been attempted?
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
6541 posts
Posted on 7/25/21 at 12:47 pm to
Voting is useless.

If it made a difference, we wouldn’t be allowed to do it.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
113898 posts
Posted on 7/25/21 at 12:47 pm to
Call it what you want.. Im still going to vote.. Well, depending on my opinions. Either way, have the right to make whatever decision I want.. And if me going vote is considered violent then I guess I am a violent mother fricker.
Posted by Bullfrog
Institutionalized but Unevaluated
Member since Jul 2010
56170 posts
Posted on 7/25/21 at 12:48 pm to
If you think about it, Majority Rule is simply, my 51 people can beat up your 49 people so we really don’t care what you think.

Might makes right.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48295 posts
Posted on 7/25/21 at 12:51 pm to
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Does that definition preclude a direct democracy


Yes.

Republics are not subject to whims of the majority (direct democracy). There are legal protections in place to protect citizens (like Constitutional rights).
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