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re: Is Vivek Ramaswamy right?

Posted on 12/22/25 at 3:10 pm to
Posted by GetmorewithLes
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Posted on 12/22/25 at 3:10 pm to
[img]Deport him? Why? And to where? He was born Cincinnati and lived his entire life in the United States.

Is being American a white-centric identity? Or is being American an identity based on ideals?[/img]

I am sure there is some small minority of conservatives that believe in the white-centric mantra but the vast majority are on the ideal plane of thought.

I believe that the only thing that perpetuates the white-centric mantra is the opposition left who try to keep beating this insignificant horse in order try to undermine the their political enemies or conservatives. The right does the same thing with Antifa, BLM, and other extreme left.

The difference here though is the left owns the media and has a stronger hold on the narritive. That is why they were soooo upset that Elon bought Twitter.
Posted by Sizzle_DAWG
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Posted on 12/22/25 at 6:08 pm to
Trump doesn’t give a frick about any of us. Voting? For 2 parties that despise you? What a stupid thing to do.
Posted by lake chuck fan
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Posted on 12/22/25 at 6:45 pm to
This guy shot his load already. He should return to his native country and do something there. He talks good, but I don't trust him.
Posted by lake chuck fan
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Posted on 12/22/25 at 6:48 pm to
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Trump doesn’t give a frick about any of us. Voting? For 2 parties that despise you? What a stupid thing to do



Its cowards like you that have us in this mess. Grow some balls and stand for something. Get out and vote. Don't be a quitter.
Trump is our best chance and it's proving to be true.
Posted by retired_tiger
Member since Oct 2025
546 posts
Posted on 12/22/25 at 6:54 pm to
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He should return to his native country and do something there.

His native country is the United States, since he was born here and lived his entire life here.

Yes, he is an American citizen, even if he has more melanin than you do.
Posted by Sizzle_DAWG
Sanford Stadium
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1745 posts
Posted on 12/22/25 at 8:11 pm to
Boy. He really did a number on you, didn’t he? I voted for him twice and he’s not delivering. You’re a fool for begging for scraps from your political masters by voting.
Politicians will NOT save you or this country.
Posted by LakeCityTiger128
Member since Dec 2025
247 posts
Posted on 12/22/25 at 8:17 pm to
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Yes, unfortunately a lot of people on the right are fricking racists. And it's getting worse by the day.


That is the biggest lie out there today. Blacks are much more racist....and i mean MUCH more. I'd like to see the Queens bowing down to White people like the Suburban White women bow down to Blacks.
Posted by AlterEd
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Posted on 12/22/25 at 8:17 pm to
Still not interested in whataboutisms.
Posted by AlterEd
Cydonia, Mars
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Posted on 12/22/25 at 8:18 pm to
He ran for president, moron. He was born here.
Posted by oldskule
Down South
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Posted on 12/22/25 at 8:19 pm to
He is fading, and quickly!
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
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Posted on 12/22/25 at 8:24 pm to
Posted by Sizzle_DAWG
Sanford Stadium
Member since Jan 2024
1745 posts
Posted on 12/22/25 at 8:28 pm to
You realize blacks weren’t even allowed to vote until after the Civil War, correct? So you poo pooing another poster stating America was established for white citizens falls flat.
In fact, your entire view of America is stuck in the 1970’s civic nationalism that we as a country, with a massive white majority at the time, along with post WW2 wealth and a global mandate, was able to entertain.
But that was an ideal, not a lasting reality.
This post was edited on 12/23/25 at 6:07 am
Posted by Kjnstkmn
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Posted on 12/22/25 at 9:00 pm to
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The “diversity vs cohesion” debate is an artifact of a deeper structural failure most people cannot name, only feel. Let’s strip it down.

1. Societies run on trust, not ideals Every complex society depends on a baseline assumption: strangers will behave predictably enough to cooperate.

That assumption is built from:

: •shared norms
•enforced rules
•cultural legibility
•expectations of reciprocity
•confidence that violations carry consequences


When trust density is high, systems feel light. When trust density falls, everything becomes expensive, slow, and political. Diversity increases the number of assumptions that must be coordinated. That raises the burden on institutions. If institutions are strong, this works. If institutions weaken, it breaks fast.


2. Western institutions weakened at the exact wrong moment Over the last few decades, Western states simultaneously:

•expanded demographic complexity
•reduced enforcement credibility
•moralized disagreement
•fragmented shared narratives
•replaced authority with process
•substituted signaling for outcomes


This created a mismatch. The system became more complex while its capacity to manage complexity declined. That is the failure mode. People sense rules are uneven. They sense norms are contested. They sense consequences are selective. They sense no one is actually in charge. Trust responds accordingly.

3. What Putnam observed was a stress response, not a moral verdict When coordination becomes costly, humans withdraw. They:

•volunteer less
•participate less
•vote less
•trust neighbors less
•retreat into smaller identity units

This happens in any overstressed system. It is not unique to race. It is not unique to culture. It is not ideological. It is adaptive behavior under uncertainty. In low coherence environments, people conserve social energy.


4. The real variable is coherence, not composition Homogeneity can mask weak institutions. Heterogeneity exposes them. A coherent society can absorb difference. An incoherent society fractures under it. Modern Western societies lack agreement on:

•what citizenship implies
•what norms are mandatory
•what laws are enforced
•what obligations are mutual
•what the future promises

Without shared direction, difference becomes load instead of strength. That is why the debate feels endless. There is no shared frame to resolve it.

5. Moral framing replaced system design Instead of asking: “What structures can support complexity?”

The discourse shifted to: “Who is morally allowed to question outcomes?” That move froze adaptation. You cannot shame a system into coherence. You cannot signal your way to trust.

You cannot narrative-manage away enforcement gaps.

You cannot import difference faster than you build shared meaning.

Trust is earned through predictability, fairness, and consequence.

Not through rhetoric.
This post was edited on 12/22/25 at 9:05 pm
Posted by Kjnstkmn
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Posted on 12/22/25 at 9:48 pm to
Posted by FlySaint
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Member since May 2018
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Posted on 12/22/25 at 10:00 pm to
Lots of Leftards confuse realism with racism.
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 12/22/25 at 10:05 pm to
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Aspects and Assumptions of Whiteness


That sounds amazing! Like it would be the pinnacle of Westernized Culture in the developed world or something
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
39791 posts
Posted on 12/22/25 at 10:05 pm to
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They have one. It's called Hungary. You should consider moving there. The United States was not set up to be one.


This very well could be our downfall as a nation.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
39791 posts
Posted on 12/22/25 at 10:46 pm to
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It is.

Which is why I very specifically noted that it’s culture, values and work ethic not race.

I have infinitely more in common and would rather live next to a black conservative Christian upper middle class family than 75% of white people in the NE or PW northwest.

But it’s also time a line is drawn in the sand that if this is going to work it’s going to be traditional American cultural values and freedoms not the cultural diaspora of the modern progressive left.

90% of American problems are a direct result of the failure to assimilate various groups into that shared cultural ethic and a hesitancy to hold individuals to our legal expectations out of a false sense of compassion.

We adopted children and failed to hold them to the same standards we hold our own children to and we’re seeing the consequences in every facet of our nation.


Well said
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
39791 posts
Posted on 12/22/25 at 10:47 pm to
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America is culturally diverse and the people of the same cultures congregate with each other because they have common interest. For the most part all these different cultures can get along on a daily basis without much conflict. When one culture encroaches upon another we generally know what to expect and all cultures generally don't want to subjugate and or kill the other cultures except one, Islamic culture. That's the one culture that is most concerning IMO. Once they have a small majority, Shirai law ensues. Not good.


agree
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
39791 posts
Posted on 12/22/25 at 10:48 pm to
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In that if you're allowed to come here, you can be of a different ethnicity and provided you "buy in" you're an authentic American in my book (and that of most, I think).


agree
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