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re: Is Trump afraid to release the UFO information he learned? (JFK files intertwined)
Posted on 10/26/24 at 10:52 am to SouthEasternKaiju
Posted on 10/26/24 at 10:52 am to SouthEasternKaiju
UFOs are seen by the military is a fact. Military opens Project Bluebook. Military ends it after over a decade concluding " no evidence of alien encounter ".
It is found out the Military lied. The military continued investigation under a different name. If their original conclusion was correct why the big lie?
Tells me it's true.
It is found out the Military lied. The military continued investigation under a different name. If their original conclusion was correct why the big lie?
Tells me it's true.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 10:53 am to ThinePreparedAni
UFOs, aliens, and bigfoot....DO NOT EXIST, PERIOD!
Posted on 10/26/24 at 10:57 am to goatmilker
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UFOs are seen by the military is a fact. Military opens Project Bluebook. Military ends it after over a decade concluding " no evidence of alien encounter ".
The military admits 'something' is there, but won't go much beyond that. They 'officially' say it's not ours.
Now, putting on my pretend military guy hat, who is supposed to be in charge of protecting the country, the air and water space around it, that SHOULD be a huge red flag.
But we don't see the military react like that. They just smugly sit there and shrug.
Do they know it's our stuff, but can't say? Or, are they downplaying these reports because - damn, it's beyond them and they don't want to seem incompetent.

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It is found out the Military lied. The military continued investigation under a different name. If their original conclusion was correct why the big lie?
Tells me it's true.
Newsflash - the military, as well as all gov bodies, lie. Everywhere. That's the one constant in the universe.
This post was edited on 10/26/24 at 10:58 am
Posted on 10/26/24 at 11:00 am to oldskule
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UFOs, aliens, and bigfoot....DO NOT EXIST, PERIOD!
Then what do they mean when they say "Unidentified" Flying Object?
Or "Ariel Phenomenon"?
Do those "not exist"?
Posted on 10/26/24 at 11:27 am to GRTiger
Trump made the comment about Mars last night on Rogan...
Consider this: the Martian landscape and atmosphere is barren, but it wasn't always like that. Once it had surface water and a much thicker atmosphere (this just based on current scientific data). That was billions of years ago. That period lasted at least half a billion years, and things didn't just change overnight.
To compare, half a billion years ago, there was no animals OR plants on land, on earth. Life was in the oceans. We've progressed in that period to where we are now. So that's a pretty long time, in evolution.
Not saying there was ever life on Mars, or not... but half a billion years is a long enough time for complex forms to appear. And just for the sake of discussion, let's say there was a different form of life that ultimately became dominant. Look at cephalopods, like octopuses. They're invertebrates, theoretically way down the list in evolution. Yet they've shown signs of intelligence on par with not just vertebrates, but mammals. Some species are damn close to primates in use of tools.
Let's suppose in a different setting (ie Mars), life developed in the oceans, and stayed and advanced there. And that cephalopods became sentient, and ultimately advanced. That cuts a long time out of the evolutionary clock, all the hundreds of millions of years life spent evolving on land. Our own human history- we seem to have gone from a pack of critters in a forest, to space travel and creating AI in under a million years (probably less than 100,000 yrs), so you just need to reach a certain level of intelligence, to use tools, to begin expanding your usage and contemplation of tools (thought). Once it starts, it might take off like it did for us.
Back to Mars, if the life there was sentient, and developed awareness and knowledge/insight equal to us now, and realized their world was dying- they likely don't just concede in a million or so years they'll be extinct. They, like us, start shifting habitats, move below the surface, figure out ways to shield from radiation, preserve a habitable enviroment etc. You know we'd do it. It wasn't an instant catastrophe, it happened over millions of years.
I use the cephalopod example because it would be a faster evolutionary path, wouldn't leave much if any evidence behind, and there seems to be some genetic or species fear of them among us. We don't like tentacles.
A hungry pack of wolves is dangerous, but we've actually domesticated them, so we're not scared of them, we took them in. But there's something about an octopus that triggers fear. That might be genetic memory or programming.
Point is, if there WERE something there, they- like us- would look for a way to explore, and then to survive.
There isn't any scientific proof of it at all, I'm not saying that. But there doesn't seem to be a lot of stuff to disprove it, either.
Consider this: the Martian landscape and atmosphere is barren, but it wasn't always like that. Once it had surface water and a much thicker atmosphere (this just based on current scientific data). That was billions of years ago. That period lasted at least half a billion years, and things didn't just change overnight.
To compare, half a billion years ago, there was no animals OR plants on land, on earth. Life was in the oceans. We've progressed in that period to where we are now. So that's a pretty long time, in evolution.
Not saying there was ever life on Mars, or not... but half a billion years is a long enough time for complex forms to appear. And just for the sake of discussion, let's say there was a different form of life that ultimately became dominant. Look at cephalopods, like octopuses. They're invertebrates, theoretically way down the list in evolution. Yet they've shown signs of intelligence on par with not just vertebrates, but mammals. Some species are damn close to primates in use of tools.
Let's suppose in a different setting (ie Mars), life developed in the oceans, and stayed and advanced there. And that cephalopods became sentient, and ultimately advanced. That cuts a long time out of the evolutionary clock, all the hundreds of millions of years life spent evolving on land. Our own human history- we seem to have gone from a pack of critters in a forest, to space travel and creating AI in under a million years (probably less than 100,000 yrs), so you just need to reach a certain level of intelligence, to use tools, to begin expanding your usage and contemplation of tools (thought). Once it starts, it might take off like it did for us.
Back to Mars, if the life there was sentient, and developed awareness and knowledge/insight equal to us now, and realized their world was dying- they likely don't just concede in a million or so years they'll be extinct. They, like us, start shifting habitats, move below the surface, figure out ways to shield from radiation, preserve a habitable enviroment etc. You know we'd do it. It wasn't an instant catastrophe, it happened over millions of years.
I use the cephalopod example because it would be a faster evolutionary path, wouldn't leave much if any evidence behind, and there seems to be some genetic or species fear of them among us. We don't like tentacles.
A hungry pack of wolves is dangerous, but we've actually domesticated them, so we're not scared of them, we took them in. But there's something about an octopus that triggers fear. That might be genetic memory or programming.
Point is, if there WERE something there, they- like us- would look for a way to explore, and then to survive.
There isn't any scientific proof of it at all, I'm not saying that. But there doesn't seem to be a lot of stuff to disprove it, either.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 11:39 am to Scoob
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Not saying there was ever life on Mars, or not... but half a billion years is a long enough time for complex forms to appear.
There seems to be an inflection point, but it's of note that single celled organisms lived on earth for 3 billion years before any complex life was able to form. It's possible (and likely based on our current knowledge) that single cell life being the only thing able to survive on planets is the norm, rather than complex life being the certain eventuality.
I'm pretty certain there were and are living things on other planets and moons. I just don't think sentient, intelligent, technologically advanced societies are out there, at least not in our window of time.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 11:41 am to JackieTreehorn
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Didn’t Trump say if we had access to this stuff we wouldn’t release it either? Must be horrific.
Horrific may not be the most applicable word (yet possibly still relevant).
I imagine the most pressing matter relevant to not releasing info on UFOs (assuming we're referring to Actual confirmed 'extraterrestrial beings/whatever and not just advanced tech of our own) is the completely unpredictable reaction the world, its individual nations/cultures and Religions (specifically) would have.
Yeah, we fantasize and talk about aliens and how that would go - but we have never ACTually been in the situation where the whole world has had undeniable proof shoved in their faces and it becomes an accepted reality rather than more of a though-experiment.
Societal order throughout the world would change immediately simply based on that fact. How that would play out is anyones guess.
Posted on 11/22/24 at 6:35 am to ThinePreparedAni
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:53 am to 10thyrsr
JFK was killed because he was going to withdraw from Vietnam after the election in 1964. It would have cost the military industrial complex billions of dollars.
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