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re: Is there such thing as a basic human right?
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:01 pm to RohanGonzales
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:01 pm to RohanGonzales
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Surely you are not advocating for massive transfer payments for rent?
I'm sincerely asking what I have written that caused you to ask this question or make this assumption?
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Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:02 pm to Stonehenge
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According to President Musk, the serfs have no rights
god thing for you that you have the right to be a liar, else you would have nothing to post
more class warfare nonsense...yawn
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:03 pm to 4cubbies
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Universal healthcare, tuition-free higher education, robust public transportation, etc etc
These aren’t rights. Where do you get the idea that these are “rights”? The American people have a right to public transportation? Free education?
What you listed are privileges.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:03 pm to UncleFestersLegs
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Free food
Free housing
Free Healthcare
Free education
Free transportation
What society in all of human history most represents your ideals?
Why are you prescribing those ideals to me?
Me: Do y'all think basic human rights really exist?
You "Why are you trying to give everyone free food, free housing, free healthcare, free education and free transportation?!"
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:03 pm to 4cubbies
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What have I written that makes it sound like I'm longing or the days of dilapidated and neglected housing projects?
The part where you suggesting shelter is a right. The projects are public housing silly.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:04 pm to UncleFestersLegs
quote:to a degree northern Europe with very homogeneous societies have provided free healthcare free education housing assistance, not free to all but free to those who need
What society in all of human history most represents your ideals?
again very homogeneous society,
And the citizens and the culture stressed the importance of work and contributing to society
so there are not many freeloaders unless it's a medical condition
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:05 pm to riccoar
nah, never heard that song but I'm not really in tune with pop culture.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:06 pm to OWLFAN86
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now I'm asking you to make the argument for why those are examples of basic human rights
I didn't claim these are basic human rights. Someone asked what other Western countries deem as rights that the USA does not. I answered that question.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:07 pm to Stonehenge
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According to President Musk, the serfs have no rights
Women have the right to be artificially implanted with his babies.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:07 pm to 4cubbies
I believe that we have the right to life, liberty and security of person. The way society is these days with all of the hate and violence, I don't believe those hardly exist anymore. Examples of this would be vandalizing and torching Tesla's, occupying privately owned property in protest of deporting illegal immigrants, As a society, Even though some made the civil rights movement violent, Dr. Martin Luther King advocated peaceful protests...that is not the norm today.
This post was edited on 3/18/25 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:07 pm to DCtiger1
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These aren’t rights. Where do you get the idea that these are “rights”?
Where did I claim these are rights? Please link the post.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:08 pm to 4cubbies
quote:which ones do you disagree with?
Why are you prescribing those ideals to me?
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:09 pm to 4cubbies
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I didn't claim these are basic human rights. Someone asked what other Western countries deem as rights that the USA does not. I answered that question.
Thank you for the clarification then if you could please cite the countries that provide these rights to their citizens
And then if you could at least make the suggestion about how the United States could implement these same benefits in a culture that differs greatly
Again I thank you for your willingness to engage in a conversation I promise not to use names or consider your opinion ridiculous but I think it's fair that I ask for you to cite examples that we could follow.
And very clever to include the word
quote:in your argument I see what you're doing
Western countries
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:09 pm to Rebel
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The part where you suggesting shelter is a right.
But I didn't. Can you link that post?
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The projects are public housing silly.
Well, public housing looks different now.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:10 pm to UncleFestersLegs
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which ones do you disagree with?
All of them? I have never advocated for any of those things. You just made that up and now you're asking me to defend your bullshite claims.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:12 pm to Bryno1960
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Dr. Martin Luther King advocated peaceful protests...that is not the norm today.
I think protests largely don't exist at all. The ones that take place are plastered all over the media to sell ads. Most Americans aren't protesting or committing any violence or crimes against anyone, especially not strangers.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:12 pm to 4cubbies
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It’s also safe to say that US has different ideas about human rights than other Western countries.
I asked you for examples, and you freely listed these below:
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Universal healthcare, tuition-free higher education, robust public transportation,
You wouldn’t just list examples that don’t fit your narrative of a right, that would be silly.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:15 pm to OWLFAN86
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Thank you for the clarification then if you could please cite the countries that provide these rights to their citizens
I know Sweden does. I don't care to google the social safety nets every other country provides on your behalf.
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And then if you could at least make the suggestion about how the United States could implement these same benefits in a culture that differs greatly
Why would you ask me to do this? Owl, this is why I skip your posts sometimes. You are giving me assignments based on your own misinterpretations of my posts.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:15 pm to 4cubbies
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The government puts many stipulations on "free" speech, though.
Only if my speech is infringing on the rights of others. If I use my speech to incite violence against someone then then I'm infringing on that person's rights. I don't quite get the point you are trying to make though.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:16 pm to DCtiger1
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You wouldn’t just list examples that don’t fit your narrative of a right, that would be silly.
My narrative of a right is that they don't exist. How do the examples of rights of other countries that I listed fit my narrative? This must be the same 9-D chess the president plays.
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