re: Is there any saving of America ?

Make sure your “civil war recruits” have a good bit more resolve and stamina than those guys up in Oregon a few years ago.

Why should any resort to blood and iron in a losing effort. The only other way would be to reclaim it the way it was "lost."

But look what has a 4-generation head start on us.

We got to this point in increments, accomplished by some of the most effective methods/techniques conceptualized by the best behaviorists the West ever produced.

Sappers from the Institute of Social Research in Frankfurt who were given sanctuary here during the war with the legions of acolytes they've produced over 4 generations now infesting our critical institutions and continuing their all-out psychological assault on what has always been their prime target of choice, the most vulnerable and trusting among us - the young.

The originals were consummate experts in "Engineering Consent."

They knew quite well how marxian principles appeal to the basest in human nature, but with its less than acceptable image they had to improvise.

So why not cloak marxian ideas as progressivism and use the education system and the media as the prime vectors to spread it.

A direct quote from just one of them:

The Revolution will not happen with guns, rather it will happen incrementally year by year, generation by generation.

We will gradually infiltrate their educational institutions and their political offices, transforming them slowly into Marxist entities as we move towards universal egalitarianism.

~ Max Horkheimer

If that's not enough, he is also considered the "Father of Sensitivity Training" now referred to as PC which has infiltrated and is ruling every one of our institutions.

He also had a curious admiration for de Sade referring to him as "a champion of a higher morality."

How much more maladjustment could be crammed into one group.

Success against this entrenched pathogen would be a formidable task, but not impossible.

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I fear we are to far gone . There are to many liberals in this country . The press is a joke and the fact the American public doesn’t call them out is disappointing . The big cities are gone

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A balanced budget amendment would cure many ills within a few years.

Que the internet badasses. LMFAO

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you think you'd win a civil war? it would go about as well as last time ?

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Check the number of deaths per side for the last one.

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Is there any saving of America ?

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Nope, not a chance.

Fully ingrained conventional wisdom today are:
* Government is the solution to all problems
* An all powerful Federal Government rules over states
* Basic rights of liberty and freedom are no longer valued
* Property rights are all but gone
* The 'new rights' of health care, housing, car, retirement income, iphone etc can only be delivered by taking from others
* Individual rights are always trumped by collective needs or wants

What has happened:
* Obama, a committed socialist who despised capitalism won TWICE and Trump lost the popular election
* Our educational system has become an indoctrination process to socialism
* Immigration from uneducated and corrupt 3rd world countries has replaced immigration from developed ones

A large majority of Americans are on the federal teet and are never going to get off of it. We can slow the degradation of the libertarian republic into the socialist collective, but it cannot be reversed.

The core philosophy of liberty and freedom is long gone as are the pillars that held them up of hard work, ethics based in Judeo-Christian beliefs, pride in self-reliance and shame in dependancy etc.

Damn shame to see, but it's over fellas.

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We can point to a million different reasons but the cold hard truth is that America has lost it's morality and has moved away from God. At this point the only thing that can save our nation is the mercy of God. Otherwise we will fall like every other empire in world history has fallen. It's a shame but when it happens the world will fall into a very dark age with no moral compass or beacon of freedom to guide it.

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If the only thing holding us together was belief in ancient middle eastern creation myths, then we never deserved all of this in the first place.

The problem is we have an enemy within our gates in the progressive left and with the support and protections of the media they are being allowed to openly work to destroy our republic from within and are doing so gleefully. The eroding of decent values is just one of the tactics they are employing and if something doesn't change the direction we are on I would have to guess that no, the country can't be saved.

The only dim hope is that something happens that changes our direction but I don't know what that would be and there is no predicting exactly what future events may be. I can only hope for our children and grandchildrens sake we do manage to turn it around somehow, because if not the left wing is going to make it a very miserable existence for future generations and the weird part is they seem to relish that thought.

Progressive ideology and misery goes hand in hand

Only if Trump is reelected and given huge PRO-Trump majorities in the Congress.