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re: Is there a secular argument against abortions?
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:37 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:37 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:To be fair, it was designed to illustrate the silliness of talking about "taking morality out of the equation".
We love our stupid analogies, don't we folks?
Morality is in the equation for virtually every law on the books.
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:37 pm to SirWinston
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That may have originally true but I'm pretty sure that upscale retail areas have codes which pretty much relegate PPs to the hood now
That wouldn't determine who frequents them.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:38 pm to Blob Fish
I don't believe "secular" people have morals so probably isn't one
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:39 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:What would a "good" one be in your opinion?
Sure, just not a very good one.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:40 pm to ShortyRob
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To be fair, it was designed to illustrate the silliness of talking about "taking morality out of the equation".
Sure, but morality isn't necessary to show why we shouldn't make rape, theft, and murder legal.
I think that was OP's point. Maybe not.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:40 pm to Blob Fish
It causes population imbalances between the sexes.
See China.
See China.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:42 pm to Dale51
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What would a "good" one be in your opinion?
Depends on the specific position. Absolutely against abortion no matter what? I don't think there is one. I sure haven't heard one.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:42 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:I don't know. I guess it depends on how we're defining morality.
Sure, but morality isn't necessary to show why we shouldn't make rape, theft, and murder legal.
I'm having a hard time conceiving of an argument against murder or rape that has zero moral component to it.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:50 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Absolutely against abortion no matter what? I don't think there is one. I sure haven't heard one.
Would the same apply to someone being absolutely for it and would you see it as just as....ummmm...blind? (Assuming that you see pro life people as being "blind" to other strongly held opinions?*
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:58 pm to Blob Fish
Same argument could be used for terminating the life of elderly, except we'd save more money
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:04 pm to ShortyRob
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I guess it depends on how we're defining morality.
Agreed.
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I'm having a hard time conceiving of an argument against murder or rape that has zero moral component to it.
If morality didn't exist would it not still be possible to argue against legalizing murder and rape?
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:06 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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If morality didn't exist would it not still be possible to argue against legalizing murder and rape?
If morality didn't exist would it have ever been illegal? If so, why?
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:07 pm to Dale51
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Would the same apply to someone being absolutely for it and would you see it as just as....ummmm...blind?
Yes, but blind isn't the word I'd use.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:09 pm to Dawgfanman
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If morality didn't exist would it have ever been illegal?
Maybe, maybe not. I'd say eventually, yes.
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If so, why?
Ethics, history, psychology, and a host of other reasons that aren't morality.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:11 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Ethics, history, psychology, and a host of other reasons that aren't morality.
Ethics is intertwined with morality.
History, how do you know what it looks like sans morality?
Explain how psychology would have led to the outlaw of murder?
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:12 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:I guess I'd need to see an example of the rationale one would use that is theoretically void of morality.
If morality didn't exist would it not still be possible to argue against legalizing murder and rape?
I mean, obviously, I don't use religion to justify my opposition to those things, yet, I still view my opposition to them as rooted in morality.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:13 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Ethics, history, psychology, and a host of other reasons that aren't morality.
Hmm..........I'm not so sure.
Examples?
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:14 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Yes, but blind isn't the word I'd use.
What word would you use?
*This again*
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:15 pm to ShortyRob
Most Secular people believe in the hippocratic oath, I would think do no harm would fall under anti abortion.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:18 pm to golfntiger32
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Most Secular people believe in the hippocratic oath, I would think do no harm would fall under anti abortion.
Seems rooted in morality to me.
I'm not saying that's bad.
I'm just having a hard time thinking of ANY arguments in favor of criminalizing a behavior that aren't rooted in morality.
They might get stated in an effort to conceal their moral base, but, a few "why" questions would inevitably lead to their moral base.
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