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re: Is the RNC trying to keep certain candidates off the debate stage?

Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:35 pm to
Posted by Bulldogblitz
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:35 pm to
I'm pretty sure the uniparty does not want everyone to get a shot.
Posted by Marcus Aurelius
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:36 pm to
Look at our last five Presidents. I think that shows having more candidates would be better for our country.
Posted by Indefatigable
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:37 pm to
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Look at our last five Presidents. I think that shows having more candidates would be better for our country.

You seem to be under the impression that having more people on the debate stage will change who the actual candidates are.

Everything about the past several POTUS cycles, on both sides of the aisle, says you are wrong.

Debates are only going to move needles between actual candidates. The best the other participants can hope for is to become a meme or a well known reference, like the time Chris Christie ended Marco Rubio.
This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 12:39 pm
Posted by Auburn80
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:38 pm to
The Primary process in Iowa and New Hampshire are the places for lesser names to emerge from the pack. As long as the debates are after these, then it should be fair.
Posted by Marcus Aurelius
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:39 pm to
Correct ... we keep doing it the same way and keep getting the same bad results. Go figure.

Posted by Indefatigable
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:40 pm to
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I'm pretty sure the uniparty does not want everyone to get a shot.

Everyone has a shot. You can run for POTUS.

Why should the RNC give you a platform?
Posted by LSUconvert
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:41 pm to
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Some... maybe many or most ... states try to make it hard for the average U.S. citizen ... even if a potential quality candidate ... out of the elections.


What does this sentence mean?
Posted by Marcus Aurelius
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:45 pm to
Scott Walker and Bobby Jindal say hi

Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:46 pm to
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but shouldn’t be on the stage because he isn’t a serious candidate.


Then we have nothing to fear by hearing him out.
Posted by St Augustine
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:46 pm to
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He is young. He can steal it in 10 years after successfully filling a cabinet position or two.


I hate this line of thinking. Why penalize a potentially great candidate by making them “wait their turn” in the swamp. Not saying that candidate is Vivek but frick this idea that youth in a candidate is a bad thing or something that should be taken for granted.

We claim to hate long term politicians running but you’re literally saying the guy should be a long term politician before running.
This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 12:48 pm
Posted by Marcus Aurelius
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:48 pm to
Look at your state GOP and DEM criteria for running for offices. If the GOP or DEMs run the state government, good luck with an Independent being able to meet the criteria to run (they have to meet the same criteria as the party in charge even though they are not a part of that party - at least in my state that is the case). We need more states where Independents and/or other quality people being able to run for office, not career politicians. Stack on top of that that it is very hard to beat an incumbent.


"What does this sentence mean?"
This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 12:53 pm
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:51 pm to
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He doesn’t have the political platform that Obama had,


I'm not talking about his platform,

I'm talking about his skills.
Posted by Marcus Aurelius
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:51 pm to
Bingo, we have a winner. The current system favors the establishment elites.

"We claim to hate long term politicians running but you’re literally saying the guy should be a long term politician before running. "
This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 12:52 pm
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:54 pm to
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He is young. He can steal it in 10 years after successfully filling a cabinet position or two.



You Trump dumbasses need to make up your minds. Do you want an outsider or not? One day you’re whining about career politicians and the next you’re demanding people like Vivek become one before you’ll consider voting for them.
Posted by Sisyphus
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:57 pm to
This isn't to keep candidates off stage. This is an attempt to consolidate all non-Trump votes.

The wide open field last time is what got him the nomination. He kept his base and everyone else was splintered.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:02 pm to
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I'm not talking about his platform, I'm talking about his skills.

And I’m telling you that being well spoken with good ideas alone doesn’t amount to shite.

Vivek is in this to get a job in a GOP administration.
This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 1:02 pm
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:03 pm to
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Scott Walker and Bobby Jindal say hi

What?

Those two people also had zero chance of ever gaining any national traction in a GOP primary.

What is your point supposed to be?
This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 1:04 pm
Posted by Marcus Aurelius
LA
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:05 pm to
That is a good point, but I do not think that that two small states should be helping me narrow down the list in the Deep South. If there was more of that, I would agree.
This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 1:06 pm
Posted by Marcus Aurelius
LA
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:19 pm to
Early on, Walker was 1st in Iowa and 3rd in Hew Hampshire. He pretty much killed his candidacy on the debate stage. We need more candidates to debate to find the best candidates who are not there based on popularity. Don't know much about Burgam ... but he was a very successful businessman, understands tech and won two terms as a Gov. I'm glad he is in the race and I want to hear him on a debate stage. AND I want more like him on the stage. The GOP elites do not.

Jindal not as good of an example re debates, but at one point he was an up-and-comer name in the GOP ranks. His results as a Governor ruined his chances. He is a good example of us needing to hear from more people as some are just not that great. He is also a good example from the standpoint that he became an up-and-comer based his political positions not from results in office and should not have gotten on the stage. Another lessor known Governor might have filled that spot. That is why I prefer (early on) that if there are two debate stages they are random so the best candidates will rise to the top.

This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 1:25 pm
Posted by Indefatigable
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:24 pm to
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Early on, Walker was 1st in Iowa and 3rd in Hew Hampshire. He pretty much killed his candidacy on the debate stage.

How is that relevant to a conversation about forcing people with zero chance into a debate stage?

Walker had the name recognition that Burgam never will.

Two “first” debates is a clown show. It was ridiculous in 2016, it was ridiculous when the DNC did it last time, and it would be ridiculous now.

No one is served by seeing people who no one knows spouting platitudes. The debates should be for actual contenders to distinguish themselves, not some sort of open tryout.
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