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re: Is DOGE's emphasis on merit and efficiency more important than Veteran Preference?

Posted on 2/25/25 at 11:21 am to
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 2/25/25 at 11:21 am to
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DIE is based upon race, religion, national origin, gender insanity, sexual preference, etc.

Veteran status is based upon performance.


This ^
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 2/25/25 at 11:21 am to
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All of us served with people like that but I have been GS for 15 years now and have had a few entitled brats who didn't serve in the military and never even seen a jet before. It did not go well. I have yet to see one last over a year. If i get a vet in here with aircraft experience then I rarely have to show them anything, they hit the ground running. Maybe in a different career field it may be different but not specific ones.


Then it sounds like the veteran is the more qualified.

The OP was asking should veteran status trump qualifications, which the answer is no.
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 2/25/25 at 11:24 am to
quote:

The OP was asking should veteran status trump qualifications, which the answer is no.


The OP confuses me.

IF the veteran already has the job, someone already decided they had the requisite qualifications.

The OP was not speaking to hiring preferences, which frankly would have made for a more interesting debate. OP is speaking to RETENTION.
Posted by MikkUGA
Destin
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 2/25/25 at 11:25 am to
What qualifications exactly. Like I said, most veterans work DOD jobs, most veterans work in the same career field they did in the military. At what point do you think you are just going to pull someone off the street and them be more qualified than the military veteran? Lets say they did have experience in the outside world in that career path. The military is a whole different animal. I would still take the veteran everyday and twice on Sunday.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33763 posts
Posted on 2/25/25 at 11:27 am to
I did not make the OP. Ask him.

Posted by MikkUGA
Destin
Member since Jun 2014
2040 posts
Posted on 2/25/25 at 11:29 am to
In a retention aspect if they moved me to a different career field than what I have done then no I shouldnt get prefernce over someone that has been in that job. Experience means something. Most vets I know that are GS would just go to a contractor because no matter what they are telling you contractors make more money than the federal employee.
Posted by Dixie2023
Member since Mar 2023
4542 posts
Posted on 2/25/25 at 11:33 am to
I don’t think so. Modern day veterans are veterans bc they chose that route and are/were compensated for it.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 2/25/25 at 11:42 am to
Lot of people here don't understand veteran's preference - not surprising.
Also not surprising, bunch of people here shitting on vets because it suits them in the moment to suck off Elon.

If anyone thinks DOGE has any capacity to evaluate merit with its idiotic emails and 'shoot first ask questions later' approach, you are mistaken. If any of you would bother to get out of the echo chamber, you'll see plenty of stories already circulating of veterans getting fired in these moves. MSM making sure to highlight that disabled vet that just got fired and many others. The "geniuses" at DOGE fired one guy for poor performance yet he's never received an evaluation. You can smirk and deride and ridicule all you want but every one of these people are voters, as are their family members and friends. When people think the choice is to either vote Democrat or lose everything including their pension, that choice is going to be very easy for a lot of people that would have otherwise voted Republican, Independent / 3rd Party, or stayed home. Lot of phony tough guys here but if it was Democrats vowing to destroy your industry or line of work, you'd be sharpening your pitchforks right now and you'd be scared. Fear is a potent motivator.

You mensa candidates keep shitting on govt workers and see where that leads us at the midterms. Add veterans to the list as well. Why just alienate 10M people when you can add 20M more to the list?

As a side note - the other day I was watching a youtube channel with a very progressive, far left host. She referred to Crenshaw as Eye Patch McCain. I've never seen that term except on this site. JMO, but there are a lot of people reading this site, from Fox News to Trump people to Democrats and more. Keep shitting on these huge voting blocks so all of these people can see what you're doing. Midterm elections could be real shitty night and we end up with Schumer and Pelosi running things again, along with the hundreds of useless GOPe cucks, who will provide a veto-proof majority to disembowel the Trump agenda.

It's not too late for you guys to uncork your heads from your asses. Or, you can enjoy some more of this in the near future:



Posted by SallysHuman
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Member since Jan 2025
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Posted on 2/25/25 at 11:47 am to
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Lot of people here don't understand veteran's preference - not surprising.


I don't. I'm not a vet nor am I a government worker.

How kind of you to point that out, then spend all the rest of your wall of text NOT explaining what it is or how it works or its purpose... but getting on your pedestal to call out people who, with VERY limited engagement from OP, actually tried to talk about it.

Posted by BamaTiger00
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Member since May 2006
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Posted on 2/25/25 at 11:58 am to
Full disclosure. I used to do a significant amount of federal contracting before my firm went another direction. I also have good buddies who are currently Fed employees. We all are all deep conservatives that voted for Trump 3 times.

But please explain how DOGE has had any emphasis on merit thus far? They have not. It’s been nothing but low-hanging blanket cuts with no analysis whatsoever on employee performance. And it isn’t like this would be difficult and/or cost additional time and $ - all Fed employees have periodic performance appraisals. Maybe that’s next. Who knows. But thus far, DOGE’s activities have had nothing to do with merit or even really efficiency for that matter.
Posted by SallysHuman
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Member since Jan 2025
12341 posts
Posted on 2/25/25 at 12:06 pm to
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They have not. It’s been nothing but low-hanging blanket cuts with no analysis whatsoever on employee performance


I want to say I read something along the lines that the Musk Way is to cut deep, then re-hire the necessary people.

It's an interesting take.

I don't spring clean my closet by digging through things individually and making decisions on what to toss with every item I touch... I empty the closet, make piles, put back what I intend to keep, trash the rest and replenish what is necessary.
Posted by MikkUGA
Destin
Member since Jun 2014
2040 posts
Posted on 2/25/25 at 12:11 pm to
I am both a vet and government worker so explain it to me. As far as disabled vet, vets can claim disability for any and everything and not actually be disabled. Disability in the veteran world and civilian world are totally different and vets are well compensated for it.
Posted by BigBinBR
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2023
8965 posts
Posted on 2/25/25 at 12:17 pm to
If everything else between 2 people is equal other than one served and one didn’t, the keep the veteran.

But we shouldn’t be getting rid of people and keep veterans just because they are a veteran.

My FIL retired from the military with 25ish years of service. He always tells me that there are a lot of really good people in the military. But, there are also a lot of shitty people in the military and just because they served doesn’t make them good people or qualified to do anything.

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