re: Interesting trump statement on Ukraine (wants Ukraine to go on offense)

We can go around in circles on this. I can talk about how Minsk II was ignored and Ukraine kept shelling Donbas. And that doesn't even get into us running a coup there.

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This is confusing to me, because I keep hearing how he wants NATO further away, and can't ever have a border with NATO.

He needs to figure out what he really wants.

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Ukraine and a larger sphere of influence.

Believing he's scared of NATO is believing he's a retard, and that's silly.

I hope Trump realizes that Putin is a psycho. Escalating the war could set off something much worse than the current fighting. The Russian leader himself is fighting to survive, and anything less than victory is a threat.

NATO needs to get Jinsing on its side if they are to force an end to this war.

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Escalating the war could set off something much worse than the current fighting. The Russian leader himself is fighting to survive, and anything less than victory is a threat.

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With this argument, we can literally never oppose Russia if Putin (or his lap dog Medvedev) screams loud enough and talks enough shite.

Muh Neville Chamberlain.

Okay?

First, that doesn't address the points at all about what spurred this line of conversation. Again, Putin had several of his key demands met by Ukrainian negotiators, and the demands he had with NATO, Macron only promised him that they could have further talks (which is all Macron could actually promise). Yet, April 2022 is more meaningful than January 2022 for some reason. And even more, you don't want to mention Putin's duplicity is a prevailing reason why the West did not take the April 2022 talks seriously. Let's stay on topic for a bit before we go off talking about your other claims.

Secondly, Obama's foreign policy is not some sacred document or something. It was just the rehashed policy of former Bush I official Brent Scowcroft, and the effects of Obama's policy in the Eastern Mediterranean are still to be seen, as that a major area of competition and one which threatens NATO itself because it poses NATO allies against one another (Greece vs Turkey). The question you need to ask is this: do the Ukrainians have any rights of self-determination? What makes Russian interests more important than Ukrainian interests? Does Russia deserve some 'sphere of influence' just by the sheer fact that the Russian state exists?

Lastly, what Obama ignores here is the situation where Ukraine might be a core NATO interest. Ukraine is around 800 miles across. That is a greater distance than the distance between Vienna and Paris. Thus, the fact that Ukraine might become a Russian rump state is of paramount importance to European security, and thus American security, by virtue of NATO. You can post any links by Mearsheimer or Mate or Obama, but none of that changes the fundamental geopolitics. It also isn't like the competition between Britain, France, Germany and Russia is a new thing. They have all each competed with one another over influence in Eastern Europe. Why you think that they would just cede Ukraine is to elevate Russian security concerns over the concerns of our actual allies. It is a nonsensical position.

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With this argument, we can literally never oppose Russia if Putin (or his lap dog Medvedev) screams loud enough and talks enough shite.

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Let 'em scream. Only fools would go to war with a nuclear-armed dictator like Putin.

frick obama

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Neville Chamberlain.

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I wonder if he ever felt regret about his mistakes.

I Guarantee you Neville Chamberlain is on the minds of the European leaders. 100% Don’t want to repeat that foolishness.