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Interesting discussion on War/ the Cartel
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:37 pm
The topic of war with the Mexican cartel's is often discussed here. This guy's take lays out the Cartel's pov, their presence in the US, their possible retaliation efforts against US citizens and possible alternatives to military action. I think a lot of what he says makes sense and we should be prepared for what could be on the horizon.
Pierre Rausini is an author and former Los Angeles kingpin. He was charged with operating a criminal enterprise under the Federal Drug Kingpin Statute and prosecuted for participating in wide-ranging drug conspiracies. Rausini's extensive history of drug trafficking in Southern California throughout the 1990s involved direct collaboration with high-level Sinaloa operatives who managed the cartel's American-based distribution network and its money laundering operation. This experience provided him with an intimate understanding of the cartel's logistics and operational strategies.
This post was edited on 2/20/25 at 12:38 pm
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:41 pm to ThuperThumpin
They’ll hit these guys with RICO once they get caught. Will be like the mafia in the 70’s/80’s and into the 90’s.
I do believe a lot of Americans believe these guys are like Pedro the coffee picker, but these are in fact hardened thugs who have solid training. Not to mention infrastructure.
I do believe a lot of Americans believe these guys are like Pedro the coffee picker, but these are in fact hardened thugs who have solid training. Not to mention infrastructure.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:42 pm to ThuperThumpin
Its why you first get the cartels out of the country. Our government knows who these people are. What I'd like to see us do is remove cartel from within or borders or so many of them they can't retaliate and then use all the nice new shiny high tech weapons out as a test on the cartels in Mexico. I can remember Trump during his first term saying we have some high tech weaponry at our disposal that nobody has seen before. What better way to test this than on Mexican Drug Cartels? I'm betting most of it is controlled remotely and they won't know what even hit them. I imagine some form of supersonic hyper-sonic laser drone type weaponry that can decimate a large area quickly.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:50 pm to ronricks
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Its why you first get the cartels out of the country.
You should watch the video. According to him there actually isnt a lot of actual Cartel members in the US. But they are well trained (some by US special forces)and heavily armed (including surface to air missiles). Enough to conduct terrorist operation on US.
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What better way to test this than on Mexican Drug Cartels? I'm betting most of it is controlled remotely and they won't know what even hit them. I imagine some form of supersonic hyper-sonic laser drone type weaponry that can decimate a large area quickly
The problems is its not just about blowing up some hacienda in the mountains. The cartels have infiltrated every facet of the Mexican government, society and the economy. Its not some local infection in a limb you can just amputate. Its a cancer in the whole body.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:56 pm to ThuperThumpin
Thanks for posting. I'm listening to it now.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:59 pm to ThuperThumpin
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The problems is its not just about blowing up some hacienda in the mountains. The cartels have infiltrated every facet of the Mexican government, society and the economy. Its not some local infection in a limb you can just amputate. Its a cancer in the whole body.
Then do nothing?. Seems to me like we have the technology to precision drone as many targets at once as we want. If there is collateral damage so what? I'd blow a bunch of shite up at one time and dare them to respond and tell them the next time it will be even worse. We have the power to do this if we want. Otherwise, just do nothing and accept the results which will be more cartel more drugs more death etc.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 1:01 pm to Figgy
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Thanks for posting. I'm listening to it now.
His whole Borderland series is interesting
Posted on 2/20/25 at 1:04 pm to ThuperThumpin
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But they are well trained (some by US special forces)and heavily armed (including surface to air missiles). Enough to conduct terrorist operation on US.
What's the endgame here?? They know they'd lose in a one to one battle against the U.S. military. And it seems like conducting domestic terrorism would only increase support for the military getting rid of cartels. It would speed up their own demise.
I get that they want to put up a fight but I don't really know if they can intimidate this administration short of threatening something ridiculous like nukes or biological warfare
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 1:06 pm to ronricks
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Then do nothing?
Why is this always the response to someone pointing out the difficulties we may face moving forward.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 1:11 pm to ThuperThumpin
This is the first I've ever heard of it. I love stuff like this though. "They're very clever house cats". 
He's breaking down how the US government was played by Sinaloa.
He's breaking down how the US government was played by Sinaloa.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 1:11 pm to ThuperThumpin
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Why is this always the response to someone pointing out the difficulties we may face moving forward.
Because you made it out like it is some task that is too difficult.
We don't have to risk a single soldier in dealing with the cartels. We have the technology to obliterate them. Form a plan and do it.It would be great practice/learning experience for further issues/conflicts down the road.
I'm not saying just wing it and 'attack them. Take the time to put a plan together and execute it. Or, do you not trust the people in charge to be able to do that?
If we can't take out cartels then we certainly aren't beating China or whoever else.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 1:15 pm to ronricks
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If we can't take out cartels then we certainly aren't beating China or whoever else.
I can let you know we can't win a war on Chinese soil similar to what we'd have to do in Mexico (like the WOT)
Posted on 2/20/25 at 1:17 pm to ronricks
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Because you made it out like it is some task that is too difficult.
Lets start over here....what is the goal here? In your opinion?
Posted on 2/20/25 at 1:19 pm to Figgy
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He's breaking down how the US government was played by Sinaloa.
Yea that was fascinating.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 1:21 pm to ThuperThumpin
If I can offer one piece of advice:
Don't send Ignacio Varga.
Don't send Ignacio Varga.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 1:24 pm to ThuperThumpin
Getting to the talk about our military challenges and the domestic side. 
ETA: Cartels have a zero tolerance policy on going after judges, police, civilians etc... "unalived family" is phrase I don't recall hearing before
ETA2: Former US SF are leading the Jalisco New Generation cartel. They're "more militaristic". US bureaucrats are not capable of winning this war and the Mexican government cannot be trusted (no kidding). We'll be ambushed if we go in. That in particular is something I've long been fearful of.
ETA 3: American Expats are easy targets to become hostages and they can target American factories. On the American side of the border shooting down airliners could be on the table and other such evils. This is fascinating stuff.
ETA 4: Trump is well positioned to limit fentanyl through shrewd negotiating. But other drugs will still flow because of market forces.
ETA: Cartels have a zero tolerance policy on going after judges, police, civilians etc... "unalived family" is phrase I don't recall hearing before
ETA2: Former US SF are leading the Jalisco New Generation cartel. They're "more militaristic". US bureaucrats are not capable of winning this war and the Mexican government cannot be trusted (no kidding). We'll be ambushed if we go in. That in particular is something I've long been fearful of.
ETA 3: American Expats are easy targets to become hostages and they can target American factories. On the American side of the border shooting down airliners could be on the table and other such evils. This is fascinating stuff.
ETA 4: Trump is well positioned to limit fentanyl through shrewd negotiating. But other drugs will still flow because of market forces.
This post was edited on 2/20/25 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 2/20/25 at 2:09 pm to Figgy
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: American Expats are easy targets to become hostages and they can target American factories. On the American side of the border shooting down airliners could be on the table and other such evils. This is fascinating stuff.
Yea Im not sure how far it would go and or how Americans will react to being targeted on US soil. 100,000 fentanyl deaths a year is terrible but the sad fact is those are nameless drug addicts to most poeple and their individual deaths dont effect most folks on an emotional level. Having a few airliners blown out of the sky will probably cause a more split opinion on whatever action Trump does that would elicit that response. Probably like every thing else nowadays along party lines. Years ago I would say that would be a stupid move for the cartels as it would galvanize US public support for further action. But now, if desperate...maybe they would consider it.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 2:16 pm to Figgy
To me step one is strengthening our border. That will suffocate the cartels cash flow. They only have power due to money. Stop that and half the battle is won.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 2:21 pm to ThuperThumpin
I just finished it and it was excellent. The targeting of the expats wasn't something I had ever thought of but it makes a ton of sense. Anyway, good stuff and everyone should take the time to watch it.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 2:38 pm to OU Guy
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To me step one is strengthening our border
Yea that need to be done but one of the things that is consistently mentioned in these interviews with trafficker's is how the drugs mostly flow through legal ports of entry.
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