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re: In theory, would you be OK with only letting citizens vote if they filed their taxes?

Posted on 4/7/21 at 12:13 pm to
Posted by 93and99
Dayton , Oh / Allentown , Pa
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 4/7/21 at 12:13 pm to
You can pay for them Corky.

You want to take from me to support the losers.
This post was edited on 4/7/21 at 12:14 pm
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
25486 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 12:13 pm to
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Counting social security taxes? Maybe. But the "national sales tax" gurus can't answer that question, either.


I'm not an accountant and know very little about taxes past the basics, so this isn't a leading question. If a state like Florida can function well with sales taxes and no income tax, why is it impossible to scale up?
Posted by 93and99
Dayton , Oh / Allentown , Pa
Member since Dec 2018
14400 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 12:18 pm to
I suspect you come from a family of lowlifes and that's why you cry racism.
Posted by BiteMe2020
Texas
Member since Nov 2020
7284 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 12:19 pm to
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I'm not an accountant and know very little about taxes past the basics, so this isn't a leading question. If a state like Florida can function well with sales taxes and no income tax, why is it impossible to scale up?


Florida isn't authorized to print their own currency.

Florida is not responsible for funding national entitlement programs like medicare and medicaid. Florida doesn't fund directly its own national defense.

Etc.

Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 4/7/21 at 12:19 pm to
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And?


Most of the mongoloids on this board who argue for “net tax payers only” don’t understand what constitutes a net tax payer. In their minds they’d only be excluding poor minorities living on welfare, which is what they want to say but can’t.

In reality they’d be excluding a lot of people who have a better grasp of the issues than they do. Hell there are people on this board probably who make that argument who don’t pay net taxes because, again, they don’t understand what that means.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
25486 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 12:22 pm to
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Florida is not responsible for funding national entitlement programs like medicare and medicaid. Florida doesn't fund directly its own national defense.


That's just a budget size issue, I'm asking about the collection logistics. I only skimmed the thread but I saw a lot of arguments about how sales taxes were too complex and would start to stack on each other, etc. But Florida does it, so what am I missing?
Posted by BiteMe2020
Texas
Member since Nov 2020
7284 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 12:24 pm to
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That's just a budget size issue, I'm asking about the collection logistics. I only skimmed the thread but I saw a lot of arguments about how sales taxes were too complex and would start to stack on each other, etc. But Florida does it, so what am I missing?


State sales taxes, even within a state, aren't simple. People who say they are haven't had to file FL state sales tax returns and the requisite audits.

Don't make FL sales taxes simpler than they actually are. The same questions exist at the national level. The states have had 50 years to answer these questions, and states have come to different answers.


Herp, derp, just pay 7 of what you sell. 7 what? The earlier idiot couldn't say. 7 of what sales of what products? The earlier idiot couldn't say. State sales taxes are COMPLICATED.
This post was edited on 4/7/21 at 12:26 pm
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
25486 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 12:25 pm to
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Most of the mongoloids on this board who argue for “net tax payers only” don’t understand what constitutes a net tax payer. In their minds they’d only be excluding poor minorities living on welfare, which is what they want to say but can’t.


You sound like Hank having a bad day. I'm fully aware that a lot of people end up paying zero income tax, I'm fully aware that a lot if not most of them have white skin, 2 kids and a pickup. I'm still fine with it.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
25486 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 12:26 pm to
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State sales taxes, even within a state, aren't simple. People who say they are haven't had to file FL state sales tax returns and the requisite audits.

Don't make FL sales taxes simpler than they actually are.


I didn't say they were simple, I just said Florida does it and we do it successfully.

And if "they're complicated" is the issue then I don't know what to say. If our income tax rules don't fit that description then nothing on the planet does.
Posted by dltigers3
Collierville, TN
Member since Jun 2010
2173 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 12:27 pm to
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Counting social security taxes? Maybe. But the "national sales tax" gurus can't answer that question, either.


One guys says he wants “net “ payers only and y’all jump in and try to loop us all together as a gotcha moment…
Posted by BiteMe2020
Texas
Member since Nov 2020
7284 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 12:29 pm to
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One guys says he wants “net “ payers only and y’all jump in and try to loop us all together as a gotcha moment…



Net payers of what? Seems like most of the morons jump to a lot of conclusions they shouldn't.

Why is it so difficult and offensive to ask advocates of a brand new national tax to outline the specific details of their tax?

If you can't, then frick you 10x over.
This post was edited on 4/7/21 at 12:31 pm
Posted by dltigers3
Collierville, TN
Member since Jun 2010
2173 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 12:30 pm to
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Without details, no math can be done at all, and you are still so fricking stupid you can't see the relevance of the questions.


Exactly, and yet here you are on page 10 still asking us to provide the math for you even though we have no specifics at our disposal
Posted by BiteMe2020
Texas
Member since Nov 2020
7284 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 12:32 pm to
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Exactly, and yet here you are on page 10 still asking us to provide the math for you even though we have no specifics at our disposal



You have to be a moron to think that that is my problem and not yours.

I'm not coming up with your tax policy details for you.

That's on you. If that simple concept is too hard for you to grasp, then you have no business at all proposing a taxation scheme.
Posted by 93and99
Dayton , Oh / Allentown , Pa
Member since Dec 2018
14400 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 12:32 pm to
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Most of the mongoloids on this board who argue for “net tax payers only” don’t understand what constitutes a net tax payer. In their minds they’d only be excluding poor minorities living on welfare, which is what they want to say but can’t.



It would also include most people on Social Security and lower middle class people with several children.

I know that, I don't think it's right that a person who doesn't pay into the system gets to cancel my vote when I pay out the arse into the system.

Either they need to pay something in the form of a sales tax or they shouldn't get to vote.

Biden won because the parasites came out in droves to get even more freebies while the vast majority of them pay a big fat ZERO in Federal Income Taxes.

I am sure the mongoloids on this thread that don't want a national sales tax can comprehend that.

It's sad you are playing the race card.
This post was edited on 4/7/21 at 12:39 pm
Posted by dltigers3
Collierville, TN
Member since Jun 2010
2173 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 12:36 pm to
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You have to be a moron to think that that is my problem and not yours.


Wait… I’m a moron because you asked a question for specifics on a subject as complex as US tax law, and then complained about not being able to provide specifics yourself to a much simpler question? Haha, what a joke

Again, we have many states that seemed to figure this concept out, so you acting like it is impossible is just ludicrous. And I already told you it will be below 20% so are you for or against it now?
Posted by dltigers3
Collierville, TN
Member since Jun 2010
2173 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 12:37 pm to
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Net payers of what? Seems like most of the morons jump to a lot of conclusions they shouldn't.


I don’t know? But you are the idiot that tried to equate someone saying net income tax payers to those advocating for a national sales tax as a gotcha moment even though those are two completely separate arguments

Here is your post where you try to loop two completely different arguments together… just in case you forgot the BS you spew

quote:

You’d be excluding a lot of hard working lower middle class Americans with children. Counting social security taxes? Maybe. But the "national sales tax" gurus can't answer that question, either.
This post was edited on 4/7/21 at 12:40 pm
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 12:38 pm to
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Again, we have many states that seemed to figure this concept out, so you acting like it is impossible is just ludicrous. And I already told you it will be below 20% so are you for or against it now?

This is the part that kills me. People who want to simplify the code and make it more fair on the internet can't figure this out, so clearly it can't be done. Too complicated for the Federal Level. Never mind several states are currently doing it.

Can't be done!
Posted by BiteMe2020
Texas
Member since Nov 2020
7284 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 12:41 pm to
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I don’t know? But you are the idiot that tried to equate someone saying net income tax payers to those advocating for a national sales tax as a gotcha moment even though those are two completely separate arguments

Here is your post where you try to loop two completely different arguments together… just in case you forgot the BS you spew


It's impossible to compare with idiots like you failing to provide any details about how your wet dream works.

That's the facts. And since you're an advocate for it, it's YOUR responsibility to tell us exactly what your proposal is, which you and the other dick suckers can't seem to do.
Posted by dltigers3
Collierville, TN
Member since Jun 2010
2173 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 12:41 pm to
Exactly, and in reality, as long as it’s below 25% it’s a win for the middle class, and I don’t think it would be anywhere near that high.
Posted by BiteMe2020
Texas
Member since Nov 2020
7284 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 12:44 pm to
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This is the part that kills me. People who want to simplify the code and make it more fair on the internet can't figure this out, so clearly it can't be done. Too complicated for the Federal Level. Never mind several states are currently doing it.

Can't be done!


State sales taxes are clearly more complicated than your small little snail brain can comprehend.

There are value added taxes, user taxes, sales taxes, wholesale exemption taxes, value added deductions and exemptions.

But I'm sure you know ALL about how all that works since you're the cocksucking champion of sales taxes.


Despite the fact that you say "7" - not "7 percent" is the right rate, lol. Apparently, not only can you not do math, but you can't do logic or details, either.

Like most of your idiot national sales taxers.

Just admit it. Someone like you, who lives in a trailer park, will now be subject to 7 "taxes" on whatever it is you pay your landlord. 7 whatevers on your electricity, and 7 whatevers on your current payments for the gold rims you bought for your 2002 Honda. And if you're not installing the tires and rims yourself, another 7 'whatevers' for the service. Oh, and 7 whatevers for the gold paint on top of the aluminum provider to the rim-maker.

So 7x7x7x7x7x7x7 whatevers, which I'm guessing you're ignorantly willing to pay despite the fact that your mother pays no income taxes making her living raising a dumb frick like you. Add 7 whatevers to the services she provides.
This post was edited on 4/7/21 at 12:48 pm
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