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re: In Crimea, Russia May Have Gotten a Jump on West by Evading U.S. Eavesdropping

Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:04 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:04 pm to
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So now we blame the government for the leak instead of Snowden?

it's the government's responsibility
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:05 pm to
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People got fired because Ed tricked them into giving their credentials

sounds like they deserved to be fired
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:05 pm to
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it's the government's responsibility


Snowden wasn't a government employee.

Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:06 pm to
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People got fired because Ed tricked them into giving their credentials
They should be in prison as well, CAC cards and pin numbers were left lying around.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:06 pm to
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Snowden wasn't a government employee.

he was an agent of the government with access to all of this government information
This post was edited on 3/23/14 at 11:07 pm
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
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Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:07 pm to
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he was an agent of the government with access to all of this government information



He had access to SOME of the information. He stole access for quite a bit of it.

Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:10 pm to
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this is well beyond espionage


If we're talking about the insider threat/mole/spy, then this is the quintessential issue

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this is invading the privacy of hundreds of millions of innocent civilians.


The telephone metadata program? FISC ruled it constitutional. And when some snags come up, FISC told them to fix it...and NSA would fix it. Seems like it was working pretty well to me.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:10 pm to
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He stole access for quite a bit of it.
Because other stupid frickers left their cac cards lying around and he supposedly tricked them into giving up pin numbers and passwords. Tells you the mental capacity of these agencies.
Posted by OleWar
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Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:10 pm to
Fricken middle managers got fired, not the assholes who have been getting rich off of running a fat unwieldy intelligence system.

I'm actually willing to bet that the reason we can't get info on the Russians is that the system has been grossly mismanaged for a multitude of reasons. You will never get to the bottom of it with either this cowardly administration or the feckless Republicans.
Posted by Decatur
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Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:11 pm to
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sounds like they deserved to be fired


That's what happens

They didn't deserve to get burned by a trusted co-worker
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:12 pm to
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They didn't deserve to get burned by a trusted co-worker
They were fricking idiots.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:14 pm to
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He had access to SOME of the information. He stole access for quite a bit of it.

who collected it? who was supposed to protect it? the federal government. they failed
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:15 pm to
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They didn't deserve to get burned by a trusted co-worker

their job was based around dishonesty and invasion of privacy. i guess you could call this irony
Posted by TROLA
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Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:16 pm to
So snowden provided info to the Russians that they already didn't have or know that was gathered by said contractor not officially working for the government and new to the job? Why the frick did he have access then?
Posted by Decatur
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Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:17 pm to
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U.S. officials are alerting some foreign intelligence services that documents detailing their secret cooperation with the United States have been obtained by former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden, according to government officials.

Snowden, U.S. officials said, took tens of thousands of military intelligence documents, some of which contain sensitive material about collection programs against adversaries such as Iran, Russia and China. Some refer to operations that in some cases involve countries not publicly allied with the United States.

The process of informing officials in capital after capital about the risk of disclosure is delicate. In some cases, one part of the cooperating government may know about the collaboration while others — such as the foreign ministry — may not, the officials said. The documents, if disclosed, could compromise operations, officials said.

The notifications come as the Obama administration is scrambling to placate allies after allegations that the NSA has spied on foreign leaders, including German Chancellor Angela Merkel. The reports have forced the administration to play down operations targeting friends while also attempting to preserve other programs that depend on provisional partners. In either case, trust in the United States may be compromised.

“It is certainly a concern, just as much as the U.S. collection [of information on European allies] being put in the news, if not more, because not only does it mean we have the potential of losing collection, but also of harming relationships,” a congressional aide said.

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence is handling the job of informing the other intelligence services, the officials said. ODNI declined to comment.

In one case, for instance, the files contain information about a program run from a NATO country against Russia that provides valuable intelligence for the U.S. Air Force and Navy, said one U.S. official, who requested anonymity to discuss an ongoing criminal investigation. Snowden faces theft and espionage charges.

“If the Russians knew about it, it wouldn’t be hard for them to take appropriate measures to put a stop to it,” the official said.

Snowden lifted the documents from a top-secret network run by the Defense Intelligence Agency and used by intelligence arms of the Army, Air Force, Navy and Marines, according to sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters.

Snowden took 30,000 documents that involve the intelligence work of one of the services, the official said. He gained access to the documents through the Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communications System, or JWICS, for top-secret/sensitive compartmented information, the sources said.

The material in question does not deal with NSA surveillance but primarily with standard intelligence about other countries’ military capabilities, including weapons systems — missiles, ships and jets, the officials say.


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How can anyone here defend this?
Posted by BeerCity
Asheville, North Carolina
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:18 pm to
Decatur, are you CIA or something? Why the. defense of the NSA so much. Snowden will get a hero's welcome here one day once some of the old "America Does No Wrong" crowd dies off.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:18 pm to
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who collected it? who was supposed to protect it? the federal government. they failed



Actually the federal government relies on employees, both federal and private, to protect the information for them. That's why they spend upwards of $250,000 on individual background checks for people applying for Top Secret security clearances.

This post was edited on 3/23/14 at 11:19 pm
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:18 pm to
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their job was based around dishonesty and invasion of privacy.


You're demonstrating even more that you know little about the NSA and what it is mandated to do
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
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Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:20 pm to
I won't defend that piece of shite but why the frick was he in the know in any capacity and if he had access, there is little doubt that foreign agencies have/had access
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:21 pm to
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How can anyone here defend this?

well he certainly did wrong, and we just judge it in comparison to the good things that come as a result

the failure of bureaucracy and absolute failure in governmental response is a bigger worry (it's not like these programs froze post-snowden)
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