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Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:55 pm to Salmon
Most broadband customers have no more than 2 choices for internet, and many have only one.
Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, AOL Time Warner, and Cox combine for 90% of all broadband customers. They collude to give each other "turf" where they have geographic monopolies. It's all very anti-competition.
Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, AOL Time Warner, and Cox combine for 90% of all broadband customers. They collude to give each other "turf" where they have geographic monopolies. It's all very anti-competition.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:55 pm to Salmon
Lots. Of folks like the idea behind NN and realize that Title II could possibly be a terrible thing for consumers
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:55 pm to Salmon
quote:I live in a tiny town. Well, not tiny, but small. I do have the luxury of choosing between telecom DSL or Cable high-speed though.
His case is the case for the majority of the US, FWIW
I remember what it was like. Sorry if I've been an a-hole. I figured if my small town had broadband, most others do. God knows we've been behind everywhere else. We've only been able to buy a beer here since 2011
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:57 pm to TopJimmy
My town got Broadband around 2006. There was only one provider up until around 2010 or so. There are still only two.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:59 pm to Eighteen
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So it’ll reverse to just like things were 2 years ago when no one was botching about the “problem” net neutrality “fixed”
How hard is it for you to understand that companies were already caught doing throttling BEFORE Net Neutrality started?
Or do you just not give a shite?
Posted on 12/3/17 at 10:05 pm to SG_Geaux
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So it’ll reverse to just like things were 2 years ago when no one was botching about the “problem” net neutrality “fixed”
How hard is it for you to understand that companies were already caught doing throttling BEFORE Net Neutrality started?
Or do you just not give a shite?
Exactly!
They think the Obama Administration just decided to take over the internet one day in a fit of tyranny.
Net Neutrality has been a feature of the internet as long as the internet has existed.
Throttling isn't some empty threat.
The FCC took over regulating Net Neutrality BECAUSE of ISP Throttling. ICANN didn't have the technology or the enforcement mechanism to stop it, so the FCC was forced to step in.
Now, the FCC wants to allow the ISP's to do what had forced them to step in in the first place It's like when you pay a bigger kid to protect you from the bully, but then your kid just lets the bully through like, nvm, go ahead and pummel him!
This post was edited on 12/3/17 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 12/3/17 at 10:06 pm to kingbob
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Now, the FCC wants to allow the ISP's to do what had forced them to step in in the first place.
and I wonder why that would be
Posted on 12/3/17 at 10:07 pm to Salmon
Because Trump appointed Comcast's lawyer to the FCC 
Posted on 12/3/17 at 10:07 pm to kingbob
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Because Trump appointed Comcast's lawyer to the FCC
which is why I always laugh at the "small government" line about NN
Posted on 12/3/17 at 10:17 pm to Salmon
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No. It would not be cheap.
it's like you have no brain.
How do you think WALMART pushes out smaller groups to capture logistics streams?
seriously?
Posted on 12/3/17 at 10:27 pm to Parmen
I have a job and can pay bills
So I am good
I know Democrats will throw a fit though
So I am good
I know Democrats will throw a fit though
Posted on 12/3/17 at 10:29 pm to Giant Leaf
All for paying more money for stuff you already have right?
Posted on 12/3/17 at 10:34 pm to Greace
I am for capitalism
Unless I ran the wire underground to my house that connects to the world myself I dont own anything
You dont need the internet to live. I think you have forgotten this fact
Get a job where you can pay for your internet and the people that ran your cables to your house
Unless I ran the wire underground to my house that connects to the world myself I dont own anything
You dont need the internet to live. I think you have forgotten this fact
Get a job where you can pay for your internet and the people that ran your cables to your house
Posted on 12/3/17 at 10:41 pm to Giant Leaf
But those lines are also run on public right of ways. "Public" means owned by the government. The government is owned by you. Since you own the land the lines are run on, you should have a say in how they deliver your service, same as any other utility.
You don't need municipal water, garbage collection, or grid electricity to "live" either.
You don't need municipal water, garbage collection, or grid electricity to "live" either.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 10:45 pm to Adam Banks
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Illegal material should be throttled by the isp yes. I assume much if not most porn is being illegally uploaded and subsequently illegally downloaded.
shouldn't it be up to the courts to determine whether or not material is illegal? or is comcast now the judge, jury, and executioner?
Posted on 12/3/17 at 10:47 pm to bmy
Also not all torrents are illegal material
Posted on 12/3/17 at 10:47 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Lots. Of folks like the idea behind NN and realize that Title II could possibly be a terrible thing for consumers
They aren't mutually exclusive though. Can have rules requiring ISPs to treat traffic equally without the common carrier classification
Posted on 12/3/17 at 10:53 pm to CptBengal
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Thats your fricking argument. Good god, seriously, how stupid are you?
pretty sure his argument is that being pro-NN is good for Google because they are already established and used in ~65% of all internet searches. without it.. comcast and microsoft can team up and effectively force their customers to use microsoft edge
Posted on 12/3/17 at 11:25 pm to Parmen
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Free market
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