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re: Impeachment has become the problem

Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:32 pm to
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:32 pm to
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No one was discussing crimes, rather the president's perceived offenses.


So what you claim was done was legal.
What "offenses" are you claiming were committed?

*If you admit there were no "high crimes or misdemeanors" committed, what is the basis for impeachment?*
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 2:35 pm
Posted by Tani
Member since Oct 2019
40 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:32 pm to
So you’re suggesting that people commit crimes to show that they aren’t supporting the impeachment of a president for his crimes. Yeah, that’s brilliant. ??
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:32 pm to
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With all the talk about impeachment, we seem to have reached a point where the media/left is not saying that he has to be removed because he has committed a crime, but that he needs to be removed in order to heal the divide that all the impeachment talk has created.


First that’s basically an admission that they have nothing on Trump. NOTHING

Second, Democrats created the divide with impeachment talks. So to heal the country we have to give Dems what they want?? That only makes sense to a leftist.
Posted by Tani
Member since Oct 2019
40 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:33 pm to
Wow. So you don’t think racism, sexism, homophobia or gender exist?
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:33 pm to
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what level of proof would be sufficient, at this point, to ease your delicate sensibilities?



Not sure how much. But it is more than ZERO. Which is what the Dems and media ha e
Posted by Tani
Member since Oct 2019
40 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:34 pm to
The evidence is presented at the trial in the Senate, not during the inquiry in the House. The man has flat-out admitted some of his crimes, so pretending that there’s nothing there just makes you seem willfully ignorant.
Posted by 9th life
birmingham
Member since Sep 2009
7310 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:35 pm to
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What "offenses" are you claiming were committed?



I believe the blanket charge of "abuse of power" is what is being investigated.

I'm not litigating the facts here, Dale. I don't know them. I will in time, as will everyone else.

My question was a simple one: what level of proof, at this point, would satisfy you? if the answer is none, then so be it.

Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
17517 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:35 pm to
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maybe it’s boycotts of big, liberal corporations, maybe it is taking to the street spontaneously (so Antifa can’t show up and cause violence).


Have not looked at Networks for over 3 years, join me. Capitalism really works, join me
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:36 pm to
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I believe the blanket charge of "abuse of power" is what is being investigated



And to they left, “abuse of power” means doing absolutely anything they disagree with. Pretty flimsy standard really
Posted by Tani
Member since Oct 2019
40 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:36 pm to
Evidence that he committed a crime? That’s what an inquiry is for — to find out if the evidence is there. Of course, he’s admitted his guilt in extorting Ukraine, so we know that crime was committed.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:37 pm to
quote:

The evidence is presented at the trial in the Senate, not during the inquiry in the House.


The evidence for what high crime or misdemeanor??

That can be stated without any specifics of evidence, don't you agree?
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
17517 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:38 pm to
quote:

hey have chipped away at our American values for so long with their socialist agenda, and with the finish line in sight,


I think this is the biggest lesson learned. Our values and beliefs moved in the liberal in the 60's. Time to move back.

Time to Reclaim America and live the Constitution
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:39 pm to
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I believe the blanket charge of "abuse of power" is what is being investigated.


How did this "abuse" manifest itself? The end result of this "abuse" could be pointed to or nah?
Without litigating the "facts" what do you see the abuse to have been?
Posted by Tani
Member since Oct 2019
40 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:40 pm to
Extortion, violation of the Emoluments Clause, conspiring with a foreign government to influence the 2016 election, accepting something of value to a campaign from a foreign government...and that’s the tip of the iceberg.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:41 pm to
quote:

My question was a simple one: what level of proof, at this point, would satisfy you? if the answer is none, then so be it.


I'm not asking for proof. I'm wondering what the charge is and the consequences of this supposed "abuse of power". Evidence comes after the specific charge is made.
Posted by Tani
Member since Oct 2019
40 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:41 pm to
The media are the watchdogs of freedom. Apparently you are fine with a descent into fascism.
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
9177 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:42 pm to
You are a willing sheep.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
30112 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:43 pm to
quote:

what level of proof would be sufficient, at this point, to ease your delicate sensibilities?


Not sure how much. But it is more than ZERO. Which is what the Dems and media ha e

Responding to your post and in general to other sentiments in the thread:

The problem is that we've got the Dems who have been out front with conclusions of impeachable (or worse) offenses, but those conclusions are based almost exclusively on just their beliefs and theories.

In other words, they're reverse-engineering an impeachment effort. That's not how it's supposed to work. There should be relatively significant evidence of the offense(s) from which to then build an investigation....as opposed to mere beliefs and theories that require the level of assumption and inference that is currently the case.
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
9177 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:44 pm to
With a willing and full throated media screaming the lies 24/7.
Posted by Tani
Member since Oct 2019
40 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:44 pm to
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First that’s basically an admission that they have nothing on Trump. NOTHING Second, Democrats created the divide with impeachment talks. So to heal the country we have to give Dems what they want?? That only makes sense to a leftist.


Nice straw man argument. Nobody is saying that he needs to be removed to heal a divide. He needs to be removed because he is a criminal who is severely damaging the United States of America.

Let me guess...you think our Founding Fathers were conservative, don’t you? ??
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