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re: What would have to come out for you to say Trump had committed an impeachable offense?
Posted by Tani on 10/23/19 at 3:18 am to shoelessjoe
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Hmmm sounds like the same could be said for the Russia Collusion fantasy.
Wow. You’re just completely divorced from reality.
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Asking for an investigation to prevent fraud of billions of dollars should be met with praise, not impeachment.
Sure, if that had ever happened. It didn’t. Hunter BIden getting a job is NOT a crime. It’s not fraud. You don’t get seats on boards of directors by answering an ad in the newspaper, or by sending your resume to Monster. You get those jobs by knowing the right people. It’s amazing how you on the far right can invent crimes where there are none, then you are blind to those that are right in front of you.
If you think I’m someone else’s alter-ego, then report me. I’ll be happy to speak to the administrator by phone, and I would be happy to prove my identity.
re: What would have to come out for you to say Trump had committed an impeachable offense?
Posted by Tani on 10/23/19 at 12:16 am to TommyStGeorge
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How do you know that, if there was no investigation?
We KNOW that there was no investigation in the Ukraine. There was no investigation because there was no reason for one. We KNOW that what Joe Biden did was as part of a coalition of our allies, Congress, the IMF, the Ukrainian Parliament, and Ukrainian anti-corruption activists. Were ALL of those people trying to protect Hunter Biden?
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Congress isn't investigating. Democrats are
OK then. You actually think it needs to be bipartisan to open an investigation. Wow, I must have missed that part in the Constitution.
It’s Congress. The party makeup of the House are irrelevant.
I’m not a dude.
Asking another country to commit acts of espionage against the United States is OK with you? Some call lit treason.
Asking another country to commit acts of espionage against the United States is OK with you? Some call lit treason.
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More have already said they WOULD
Do you have a link to prove that? I can find nothing with Google.
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Nope
Ooh, there’s a brilliant rebuttal. ??
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Impeachment can only be done by the House. Not a house committee created to oversee an agency of the executive created more than 200 years after the gaddam Constitution was ratified..
"There is nothing in the Constitution that requires a full House vote to launch an impeachment inquiry," Berkeley Law School Dean Erwin Chemerinsky told Newsweek. "That has been done before, but it is not a constitutional requirement. President Trump is wrong in saying that it is not a legitimate impeachment inquiry without a floor vote."
Do you think you know more about it than he does?
re: What would have to come out for you to say Trump had committed an impeachable offense?
Posted by Tani on 10/22/19 at 11:51 pm to Bass Tiger
You don’t seem to understand that doing opposition research through an American company is not a crime. Asking a foreign power to do it IS a crime.
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So in this situation the President of our country either has two choices:
Utter nonsense.
There was no investigation of Hunter or Joe BIden. Joe Biden didn’t do anything that enriched his son. If someone hires his son because of the Biden name, that’s not a crime. If there had been an actual investigation, and Joe had said, “Drop it or you don’t get the money,” THAT would be a crime — but that’s not at all what happened.
re: What would have to come out for you to say Trump had committed an impeachable offense?
Posted by Tani on 10/22/19 at 11:47 pm to DeathAndTaxes
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I agree wholeheartedly with you, that nothing should be called an impeachment hearing until articles of impeachment have actually been filed.
Sorry, but that’s not correct. The articles of impeachment are voted on AFTER the hearings, which are the investigative phase. When the House votes on the articles of impeachment, if they pass, then it goes to the Senate for the trial.
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You do not believe the president should be entitled to the presumption of innocence in a proceeding that could literally lead to a fricking civil war and actual deaths of thousands or more?
There is no presumption of innocence in the investigation.
Threatening civil war because of a procedure that is following the law is horrific. If a gang threatened riots if a criminal were investigated for committing a crime, you’d come unglued, but you think it’s OK to threaten an actual war. Shame on you.
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Everyone involved and were there say that didn't happen.
You just can’t be serious.
The summary of the call PROVES that it happened.
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This was a hearsay, pre-prepared statement coordinated with highly partisan actor
Hearsay is not disallowed in an investigation. If you hear someone talking about committing a crime, or even that they HEARD of someone talking about it, and you report it, the police follow up on that. They don’t say, “Oh, this isn’t first hand information, so there’s no reason to see if there’s anything to it.”
The summary of the call proves that the whistleblower was right.
Be smarter? You might want to try to take your own advice.
re: What would have to come out for you to say Trump had committed an impeachable offense?
Posted by Tani on 10/22/19 at 11:26 pm to DyeHardDylan
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When there is evidence that Trump committed a crime.
So now, then. The evidence is there. It’s just that people of the far right are refusing to see it.
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So the wise founders thought that the Fifth Amendment should give every person the presumption of innocence except in the case of impeachment which applies to treason, bribery or high crimes and misdemeanors (and the FF were not talking jaywalking, Francis)
The Fifth Amendment applies to a person being brought up on charges in a court of law. It does not apply to investigations. When the police are investigating you for a burglary, for example, they are NOT assuming that you are innocent. In an impeachment, that means that the assumption of innocence applies when it goes to trial in the Senate, NOT while it’s being investigated in the House.
If you want to treat this as any other legal case, plenty of the Republicans in the Senate would have to be excused. The Sixth Amendment secures an IMPARTIAL jury, and plenty of senators have already said that they would not vote to convict.
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So, when Biden bragged about withholding funds to Ukraine unless they fired the prosecutor who was investigating his son, it didn't trigger you. Trump asks them to finish the investigation on corruption(it's cute that you refer to it as "political opponents" BTW), it's suddenly an abuse of power?
When Biden demanded the removal of Shokin, he was standing with Congress, our allies, the Ukrainian Parliament, the IMF, and Ukrainian anti-corruption activists. They were trying to help Ukraine remove a corrupt official.
When Trump said, “I would like you to do us a favor though,” he was asking for something to help his own campaign, which is in itself a violation of the law. There was no investigation or any kind of legal action going on against Hunter Biden. Trump has lied about that all along.
US Code Title 52:
§30121. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful for-
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to *****solicit*****, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
I have asked this a thousand times but I’ve NEVER gotten an actual answer. What did Hillary do or fail to do that you believe caused the deaths in Benghazi/
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