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Immigration and Christianity
Posted on 6/5/19 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 6/5/19 at 12:43 pm
I. Going to start by saying I’m not trying to pick a fight and hurl insults. I genuinely want open conversation on this. My political beliefs are heavily influenced by my Christian beliefs. My stance on immigration is one. For instance, I have seen people state that all illegals have to go back regardless of how integrated they are into society and how productive a member of that society they are.
I don’t agree with this because of the Bible’s exhortation to treat the immigrant well because Israel knew what it was to be a stranger in a strange land. I’m curious how Christians who want to send them back square this in their mind. If you are not a Christian, then I understand we have two different world views so we look at things through a different lens; therefore, I don’t expect you will agree with me. If you are a Christian though and feel differently, then I’m very interested in your thoughts on this. I’m not saying I’m right and you’re wrong. I simply want to know how our world view can be the same but the outcome on this issue is radically different.
I don’t agree with this because of the Bible’s exhortation to treat the immigrant well because Israel knew what it was to be a stranger in a strange land. I’m curious how Christians who want to send them back square this in their mind. If you are not a Christian, then I understand we have two different world views so we look at things through a different lens; therefore, I don’t expect you will agree with me. If you are a Christian though and feel differently, then I’m very interested in your thoughts on this. I’m not saying I’m right and you’re wrong. I simply want to know how our world view can be the same but the outcome on this issue is radically different.
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Posted on 6/5/19 at 12:46 pm to LSU2ALA
As a Christian I can say I support deporting illegals. You want to come here, you come in peace by doing it legally. Having a whole group march across your borders without a care for the citizens, isn't immigration, it's an invasion which I don't see the bible supporting.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 12:52 pm to LSU2ALA
This would be a cleaner conversation if we unravel the parts.
We could darn near be an open border country if there were NO government benefits to be had by those who are showing up.
If it were a 'work or starve' situation only the best, brightest and most confident would bother coming by nature.
BUT instead, government gives away a bunch of goodies to illegals. That IS NOT charity and has nothing to do with any religious belief.
SO, you see we cannot conflate these 2 ideas as you are trying.
We could darn near be an open border country if there were NO government benefits to be had by those who are showing up.
If it were a 'work or starve' situation only the best, brightest and most confident would bother coming by nature.
BUT instead, government gives away a bunch of goodies to illegals. That IS NOT charity and has nothing to do with any religious belief.
SO, you see we cannot conflate these 2 ideas as you are trying.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 12:53 pm to LSU2ALA
I am a Christian and I am also a LEGAL immigrant to this country. Jesus exhorted everyone to follow the law of the land. Render onto Cesar what's Cesar's, and so on. And NO, Jesus was NOT an illegal immigrant as some dumbasses out there wrongfully assert. Joseph and Mary traveled long, difficult miles when she was close to delivery to obey the law of the land and be present for the census in their hometown.
If my parents waited 10 YEARS for a visa to legally enter this country, then so can everyone else. If you broke the law of the country from the very beginning by entering illegally, out you go. Hasta la vista!
If my parents waited 10 YEARS for a visa to legally enter this country, then so can everyone else. If you broke the law of the country from the very beginning by entering illegally, out you go. Hasta la vista!
Posted on 6/5/19 at 12:54 pm to LSU2ALA
Why is it the United States role to provide and care for everyone in the world?
Posted on 6/5/19 at 12:54 pm to LSU2ALA
People that want to Legislate the Bible or let religion factor into their politics are low IQ and low information voters.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 12:54 pm to airlinehwypanhandler
Excellent point!
Posted on 6/5/19 at 12:55 pm to LSU2ALA
I believe God gives nations borders. And what are the Satanist/Globalist/Illuminati masters trying to do? Initiate a one world open society.
It's pretty clear; what God has ordained, evil people try to unravel.
It's pretty clear; what God has ordained, evil people try to unravel.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 12:55 pm to LSU2ALA
Oh, and Israel didn't exist until 1948. Before then there was no such thing.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 12:58 pm to Kino74
I agree that in a perfect world we want them to come in legally, but the fact is the U.S. has been closing off legal opportunities for. That rationale seems to care for the law over the people which was an issue that Christ had with the Pharisees as they tithed 1/10 of their spices, but neglected what Christ called, "the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness."
Lastly, I don't agree with the term invasion, and I don't believe the authors of the Bible would agree either. When they talk about invasion it's in the terms of the Romans, Assyrians, Babylonians, etc which came to subjugate and rule over you. It did not refer to a people fleeing their homeland to find a better way of life for their family.
Lastly, I don't agree with the term invasion, and I don't believe the authors of the Bible would agree either. When they talk about invasion it's in the terms of the Romans, Assyrians, Babylonians, etc which came to subjugate and rule over you. It did not refer to a people fleeing their homeland to find a better way of life for their family.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 12:59 pm to LSU2ALA
The problem is that the left creates a problem (not without the right's help, TBH), and then uses the problem to avoid any chance at a solution.
For example, not fixing the border or establishing a real way to sort regular immigrants from genuine refugees, and then lashing out at the right for chaos when border facilities are overcrowded and conditions are poor.
As a Christian, I don't really object to some deportations. I'm not a "send them all back" person, but I'm definitely a "limit the flow and deport those who don't play by the generous set of rules we set" person. I want the US to be a destination for those who want a better and more peaceful life, but unlimited flow of immigrants, some of whom may not want the things that provide that atmosphere, is counterproductive.
I have no semblance of "this country belongs to white Christians" but I do believe that the west in general can't help the world if it shoots itself by disowning the culture that made it the world's brightest beacon.
For example, not fixing the border or establishing a real way to sort regular immigrants from genuine refugees, and then lashing out at the right for chaos when border facilities are overcrowded and conditions are poor.
As a Christian, I don't really object to some deportations. I'm not a "send them all back" person, but I'm definitely a "limit the flow and deport those who don't play by the generous set of rules we set" person. I want the US to be a destination for those who want a better and more peaceful life, but unlimited flow of immigrants, some of whom may not want the things that provide that atmosphere, is counterproductive.
I have no semblance of "this country belongs to white Christians" but I do believe that the west in general can't help the world if it shoots itself by disowning the culture that made it the world's brightest beacon.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 12:59 pm to LSU2ALA
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Lastly, I don't agree with the term invasion, and I don't believe the authors of the Bible would agree either. When they talk about invasion it's in the terms of the Romans, Assyrians, Babylonians, etc which came to subjugate and rule over you
Well technically, not yet. Muslim clerics are straightforward on what they want to happen here and in Britain and Germany.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:00 pm to Jake_LaMotta
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People that want to Legislate the Bible or let religion factor into their politics are low IQ and low information voters.
If faith is penultimate in someone's life, and it is for plenty of very intelligent people, why wouldn't it impact everything (politics included)?
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:00 pm to Jake_LaMotta
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Oh, and Israel didn't exist until 1948. Before then there was no such thing.
I thought it was an act but I am absolutely convinced you are retarded... Bless your heart...
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:02 pm to The Maj
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I thought it was an act but I am absolutely convinced you are retarded... Bless your heart.
Israel didn't exist before the military men and politicians decided it did in 1948. I mean they had 4 different options on where they were going to place it for christ sakes.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:03 pm to TrueTiger
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We could darn near be an open border country if there were NO government benefits to be had by those who are showing up.
So let me ask you this, are you suggesting that government benefits are still given to those who are citizens here or are you stating they shouldn't get it either?
Also, from a Biblical perspective, it addresses, somewhat, the idea of benefits when it speaks to gleaning and not harvesting every bit of your crop so that the poor and foreigner could survive. I know it's not a perfect correlation as you referred to government benefits and this is a command to an individual. I do think it works though because this came from the Torah and predates the time of kings in which God was the king so this was, essentially, a government command to give benefits to the poor and foreigner.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:03 pm to Jake_LaMotta
you just insulted the right wing of the GOP ... 
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:06 pm to LSU2ALA
Romans 13 verses 1,2. "Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment upon themselves."
So whoever comes into the country illegally is going against God. In a authoritarian sense.
I could go into depth about the Tower of Babel and all that as well but I’m not. Basically God gave us different nations and borders for a reason. We should still be open to helping and accepting immigrants as long as they obey the law of the land (legal immigration).
I will say I believe there’s a difference between a immigrant and a refugee, and a refugee should be helped regardless.
So whoever comes into the country illegally is going against God. In a authoritarian sense.
I could go into depth about the Tower of Babel and all that as well but I’m not. Basically God gave us different nations and borders for a reason. We should still be open to helping and accepting immigrants as long as they obey the law of the land (legal immigration).
I will say I believe there’s a difference between a immigrant and a refugee, and a refugee should be helped regardless.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:07 pm to LSU2ALA
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Also, from a Biblical perspective, it addresses, somewhat, the idea of benefits when it speaks to gleaning and not harvesting every bit of your crop so that the poor and foreigner could survive. I know it's not a perfect correlation as you referred to government benefits and this is a command to an individual. I do think it works though because this came from the Torah and predates the time of kings in which God was the king so this was, essentially, a government command to give benefits to the poor and foreigner.
Why can't these people fix their own countries?
You know what our founders did? They didn't just leave America and try to go find a better life somewhere else.
They fought. Lots of them died face down in the mud, but they fought to improve where they were at rather than flee.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:09 pm to GAFF
Unfortunately, the difference between 'immigrant' and 'refugee' has been so blurred that it's impossible to discern these days. According to the media, all of the hordes at the southern border are refugees (from poverty, civil wars, etc.) as are the hordes invading Europe from Africa.
So no, it's not as simple as that anymore.
So no, it's not as simple as that anymore.
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