re: Illinois Gov. vetos minimum wage hike (was to be $15)

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Not everyone desires to have a 9-5 career. Sometimes life happens. I'm not for minimum wage increase to $15, but also not arrogant enough to shite on people earning a living by talking down to them

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Nobody wants to work a 9-5. Adults suck it up and do what's necessary. If you don't want to then be an entrepreneur but you're gonna have to work first then too.

But everyone is acting like...every place in the nation is similar...When most places people live are completely dissimilar to others. State's have to adjust based on costs of living.

We can have a Fed minimum wage and you all will be happy at the low wage. But State's have to adjust for themselves based on their economics and premium value of where people choose to live - and living on the coasts cost more because that's where most people want to live - ergo the populations.

I don't see why someone in Iowa or Alabama gives a crap that L.A. or S.F. or Seattle has a $15 minimum wage when they're just trying to be the equivalent of $7 an hour in the Middle-of-nowhere-ville USA.

States are all different based on economies and population and business and GDPs.

If Texas, California, New York and Florida are basically countries residing in the USA...they need to adjust because they are so far ahead of a minimum wage that would rock in Mississippi or Wyoming.

No, not too emotionally involved at all. I'm completely rational in my thinking and argument.

You have the mindset like most Dems and GOPe. That the common worker wants a handout when in reality they don't. They just want a decent job. Not everyone went to LSU to become an executive and climb the corporate ladder. So call that touchy feely all you want, its the truth.

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No, not too emotionally involved at all. I'm completely rational in my thinking and argument.

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Except your response to me was a straw man based on your feelings my post incited as opposed to what my post actually said, and your counter arguments were anecdotal in nature, and spiced with ad hominem attacks based on the jumps to conclusions your feelings pushed you to.



I said:

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I think the only shitting on people that is happening is regarding those who work those types of jobs, for whatever reason, but bitches about not getting the benefits of other jobs without the sacrifices.

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And yet you thought this was an non-emotional, rational response:

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And on a personal note my mom stood on her feet for 30 years as a lowly cashier as some would call her. She enjoyed it and her customers missed her when she retired. She didn't whine or become envious of others. Does that happen, of course but to paint with such a broad brush is wrong.

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Post explicitly excluded people like your mother, yet you bring her up, citing language used in the exclusionary clause, and try to make it sound like I am unfairly "painting people with too broad of a brush."



Then you talk about "hard working folks who aren't looking for handouts" when no one ever mentioned anything about that. You are projecting your own prejudices while pretending to be on a moral high ground.

If that is your non emotional, rational response, I'd hate to have to deal with you roused.

Back to the topic, I'll say this:

If they are worth the money, the money is there. If they are fools, or they expect the job to cater to their personal lives right from the start it might be a rocky road however....but that isn't the system's fault whose solution is to pay high school drop outs as much as college grads.

Furthermore, I am not basing this from a narrow perspective of white collar work insulated by being surrounded by college grads. While my department fits that mold, my place of business by and large isn't. And they have similar opinions as my own. So its obviously isn't a "class warfare" topic.

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Nobody wants to work a 9-5

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9-5 is not really working 40 hrs a week if you get a lunch and breaks.